With regard to the Holdsworth debate, I have just spoken to former
Holdsworth employee Charles Bruce, Charles tells me that the reason the team
SL frames had no braze on fittings was fashion. It seems that at the time,
it was felt that braze on fittings made the frame weaker.
Holdsworth were of course the importers of those lovely Campgnolo clamp on
attachments.
Henry Gregson
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> 1. Re: Tall Technomic stem to trade (Jerry & Liz Moos)
> 2. Re: Tall Technomic stem to trade (Jerry & Liz Moos)
> 3. Re: Holdsworth Team Bikes (mike richardson)
> 4. Re: Holdsworth Team Bikes (swampmtn)
> 5. Re: Cinelli handlebar stem lengths (Hilary Stone)
> 6. Re: Holdsworth Team Bikes (raleigh531@aol.com)
> 7. [Fwd: [Classicrendezvous] Cinelli handlebar stem lengths] (Jerry &
Liz Moos)
> 8. Cinelli logos (Jerry & Liz Moos)
> 9. Shimano 10-pitch track stuff for sale (oroboyz@aol.com)
> 10. Cold setting 753.... (oroboyz@aol.com)
> 11. Introduction (Bob & Nancy)
> 12. Re: Introduction (Jerry & Liz Moos)
> 13. Query: What's a Blue Riband bike? (C. Andrews)
> 14. Re: Query: What's a Blue Riband bike? (oroboyz@aol.com)
> 15. Stronglight 93 cranks (David Goerndt)
> 16. Lyotard mod. 23 Marcel Berthet pedals (Russ Fitzgerald)
> 17. Re: Stronglight 93 cranks (Russ Fitzgerald)
> 18. Re: Stronglight 93 cranks (Joseph Bender-Zanoni)
> 19. Re: Holdsworth Team Bikes (gregparker1)
> 20. Re: Cinelli logos (dmart84815@aol.com)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:32:21 -0500
> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Tall Technomic stem to trade
>
> I've had a list member speak for this stem, and a couple of others
> interested - thanks. BTW, in regard to my other post, there is indeed an
> intermediate logo Cinelli Campione - I found an NOS one I'd forgotten I
had
> in searching through the parts bins. One side has "Campione del Mondo"
> surrounding a 6-pointed figure which appears to be some sort of flower
> blossom. Anyone know what this object is for sure? The other side has
> "Cinelli" with the winged "C", which I think was introduced when Antonio
> Colombo bought the Company from Cino Cinelli. The Cinelli chapter in
> "Bikelore" says this occurred in 1978, so assuming Ken is correct that the
> 1978 Holdsworth team did not use the old logo, then the intermediate logo
> ones I have are probably perfect. I'd still be interested in another new
or
> intermediate Campione, though. I have some longish (around 100 mm)
Cinelli
> and French stems to trade.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
>
> > I have an old Nitto Technomic stem to trade, 100 x 22.2 x 25.4. This is
> > NIP, but a bit shopworn. It has a long, and I mean LONG quill. Overall
> > quill length is 225 mm and there is more than 160 mm above the min
> > insertion mark - you can really raise those bars up there. New
> > Technomics are long, but I've never seen one like this. Will trade for
> > good quality Japanese, French or Italian stem 50 to 80 mm.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:39:55 -0500
> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Tall Technomic stem to trade
>
> Correction to the below: The intermediate Campione logo is an 8-pointed
figure,
> not 6-pointed. Still looks like a flower blossom to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
>
> > I've had a list member speak for this stem, and a couple of others
> > interested - thanks. BTW, in regard to my other post, there is indeed
an
> > intermediate logo Cinelli Campione - I found an NOS one I'd forgotten I
had
> > in searching through the parts bins. One side has "Campione del Mondo"
> > surrounding a 6-pointed figure which appears to be some sort of flower
> > blossom. Anyone know what this object is for sure? The other side has
> > "Cinelli" with the winged "C", which I think was introduced when Antonio
> > Colombo bought the Company from Cino Cinelli. The Cinelli chapter in
> > "Bikelore" says this occurred in 1978, so assuming Ken is correct that
the
> > 1978 Holdsworth team did not use the old logo, then the intermediate
logo
> > ones I have are probably perfect. I'd still be interested in another
new or
> > intermediate Campione, though. I have some longish (around 100 mm)
Cinelli
> > and French stems to trade.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> >
> > Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
> >
> > > I have an old Nitto Technomic stem to trade, 100 x 22.2 x 25.4. This
is
> > > NIP, but a bit shopworn. It has a long, and I mean LONG quill.
Overall
> > > quill length is 225 mm and there is more than 160 mm above the min
> > > insertion mark - you can really raise those bars up there. New
> > > Technomics are long, but I've never seen one like this. Will trade
for
> > > good quality Japanese, French or Italian stem 50 to 80 mm.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jerry Moos
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "mike richardson" <felice@abts.net>
> To: "Jerry & Liz Moos" <moos@penn.com>
> Cc: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth Team Bikes
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:25:32 -0500
>
> Jerry, it appears the text is referring to the Pro SL for the public. It
is
> hard to tell from the pictures if the stays are wraparound, but it appears
> they are on the Pro SL. I believe they are the same as in the picture on
> Dale's site with my name on it. This was actually my wife's(to be at the
> time) bike, and she unfortunately folded it in a bad crash.
>
> Maybe there was a reason for the team using clamp-on equipment, or just
> coincidence? Anyone.
>
> I will try to get this brochure scanned and to Dale, so he can add to the
> site.
>
> Mike Richardson
> Statesville,(Sun. afternoon snowstorm before Thanksgiving!!)N.C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> To: mike richardson <felice@abts.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 19, 2000 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth Team Bikes
>
>
> >Mike, am I corrrect that the brochure you quote describes the
Professional
> SL
> >available to the public, rather than the actual team issue bikes on the
> poster?
> >Mine frame sounds more like a Professional SL, as it has full brazeons
> except
> >for the front derailleur. Can you tell from your materials if the team
> frames
> >or the Professional SL had full wraparound seat stays? Mine has full
> wraparound
> >stays but lacks the "H" engraved into the stay caps found on the Pro SL
> bike and
> >Team frame photos on the CR site. I can't tell in the CR site photos
> whether
> >the stays are wraparound or not. My Reynolds sticker says "531
> Professional" -
> >never seen this particular sticker before.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jerry Moos
> >
> >mike richardson wrote:
> >
> >> For what is worth, my poster is the same image on Dale's site and is
> clearly
> >> marked 1978. The stems on the bikes appear to be 1a's or Fiamme(see
> below).
> >> Shifters,bottle cage, bb cable guide and frt der. are all clamp on.
> Equip.
> >> seems to be NR with the exception of SR chainrings on one bike. Other
> bikes
> >> seem to have NR rings with the inner web removed on the outer ring. On
> the
> >> other hand the photo of the Super Professional SL produced for the
public
> >> shows braze-ons for shifters and bottle cage and (drum roll) 1r stem.
> >>
> >> Further examination of the poster/PR brochure reveals the following
> >> equipment details.
> >>
> >> " The Holdsworth Professional SL frame-sets, finished in team orange
with
> >> blue decals, are hand built with Reynolds 531 special Lightweight
tubing,
> >> Prugnat lugs and Campagnolo short pattern fork ends."
> >>
> >> "Campagnolo gears, brakes, pedals, seat pin, hubs, chainset, head set
and
> >> bottom bracket set are all from the titanium based extra-light Super
> Record
> >> group."
> >>
> >> "Other equipment includes Fiamme bends, stems and Ergal rims; Canetti
> >> tubulars; Regina Oro freewheels and Record chains; and Unica saddles."
> >>
> >> Hope this isn't redundant info.
> >>
> >> Mike Richardson
> >> Statesville,N.C.
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> >> To: Donald Dundee <rebour@hotmail.com>
> >> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> >> Date: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:31 AM
> >> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth Team Bikes
> >>
> >> >Trying to collect parts for a Team model Holdsworth very similar to
the
> >> "1979"
> >> >team bikes shown on the CR site, which Ken advises are actually 1978
or
> >> >earlier. Ken advises a 1978 would have used "new" logo Cinelli mod 66
> >> >"Campione" bars and 1R stem. I know that for the Cinelli mod 64 Giro
> there
> >> was
> >> >an "intermediate" logo with a less elaborate logo (looks like moon and
a
> >> star),
> >> >between the old logo and the newest one which has no real logo, just
> >> Cinelli
> >> >engraved on both sides, with the model name and number on one side.
Was
> >> there
> >> >an "intermediate" logo Campione also? Would such an intermediate logo
> bar
> >> have
> >> >been used in 1978? Anyone have an intermediate or new logo Campione
to
> >> sell or
> >> >trade (no grooves)? Anyone have an 80mm 1R stem to trade? Did the 1R
> come
> >> that
> >> >short?
> >> >
> >> >By the way, Ken, the frame measures 53 cm ctoc, 54 ctot, don't know if
> that
> >> is
> >> >consistent with the suggested provenance.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >
> >> >Jerry Moos
> >> >
> >> >Donald Dundee wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Jerry,
> >> >>
> >> >> Just FYI, the Holdsworth Team folded in1978, so your frame is
probably
> >> >> earlier. However, at that time, the team had Cinelli as one of their
> >> >> sponsors, who supplied Bars and stems, so if you are interested
> inperiod
> >> >> accuracy for your Holdsworth Team bike, you may want to ditch the GB
> >> idea.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ken Denny
> >> >> Boston, MA
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "swampmtn" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth Team Bikes
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:15:36 -0500
>
> The shortest Cinelli I've been able to find advertised is 10cm.
> (International Pro Catelog, 1982)
>
> AldoRoss
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:37:37 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Cinelli handlebar stem lengths
> From: "Hilary Stone" <Hilary.Stone@Tesco.net>
> To: gregparker1 <GregParker1@compuserve.com>,
> "Jerry & Liz Moos" <moos@penn.com>
> CC: gregparker1 <110404.153@compuserve.com>,
> Donald Dundee <rebour@hotmail.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> I think 85mm was probably the shortest 1R as I had definitely had one on
my
> my new Tony Oliver in 1986. The 1A stems were made down to to 8cm (or
> possibly 7cm). Some 3TTT stems went down to 6cm.
> Hilary Stone
>
>
> Greg Parker wrote:
> >
>
> > I believe the shortest 1R was 95mm.
> >
> Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
> >
> Anyone have an 80mm 1R stem to trade? Did the 1R come that
> > short?
> >
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: RALEIGH531@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:31:54 EST
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth Team Bikes
> To: swampmtn@siscom.net
> CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 11/19/00 4:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> swampmtn@siscom.net writes:
>
> > The shortest Cinelli I've been able to find advertised is 10cm.
> > (International Pro Catelog, 1982)
>
> I believe I have an 85 mm old logo 1A.
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, Pa
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:08:19 -0500
> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [Fwd: [Classicrendezvous] Cinelli handlebar stem lengths]
>
>
>
> Message-ID: <3A184CA5.826EF660@penn.com>
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:56:53 -0500
> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Hilary Stone <Hilary.Stone@Tesco.net>
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Cinelli handlebar stem lengths
> References: <E13xbuF-0001eB-00@trolley.tesco.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> I suspect you're correct about the 1R, Hilary, and you're definitely
correct
> about the 1A and TTT. I have several 70 and 80 mm 1As and 60 and 70 TTT
> Records, the latter of which were actually still available until recently.
I
> normally like a 80mm on a "square" 53 or 54 cm frame, and pick up 60mm or
70mm
> when I find them for those old frames with long TTs. Short stems also help
with
> those old French bars, which tend to have a much longer reach than the
Cinellis
> we've some to think of as "normal". With these long reach bars, I prefer
to be
> just a bit cramped on the tops rather than to feel too stretched out when
on
> the hoods, where I ride most of the time. I've noticed that the Cinelli
XA,
> which seems somewhat similar to the 1R, is available in 80mm.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> Hilary Stone wrote:
>
> > I think 85mm was probably the shortest 1R as I had definitely had one on
my
> > my new Tony Oliver in 1986. The 1A stems were made down to to 8cm (or
> > possibly 7cm). Some 3TTT stems went down to 6cm.
> > Hilary Stone
> >
> > Greg Parker wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > I believe the shortest 1R was 95mm.
> > >
> > Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
> > >
> > Anyone have an 80mm 1R stem to trade? Did the 1R come that
> > > short?
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:20:52 -0500
> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Cinelli logos
>
> In my earlier posts, I assumed the Cinelli bars with "Cinelli" on one
> side and a star or flower blossom on the other are older than the ones
> with "Cinelli" on both sides and no real logo except the winged C in
> "Cinelli". Others seem to think it may be the other way around.
> Anyone know which is the case? I don't have any of the new grooved mod
> 64 or 66s, how are they engraved? Also, was the old Cinelli logo
> actually the coat of arms of the city of Milano, and therefore not
> subject to being copyrighted by Cinelli? If so that might explain why
> Antonio Colombo, when he bought the company, switched to another logo
> which he could copyright.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:23:52 EST
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, vance@nevada.edu
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Shimano 10-pitch track stuff for sale
>
> In a message dated 11/19/00 1:11:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> monkey37@bluemarble.net writes:
>
> << A good friend of mine just got hit by a car and is thinking of selling
some
> of his 10-pitch Shimano track kits to pay some bills. I think he has
> almost two full kits. If you're interested drop me or Jason a line.
Jason
> Vance is <vance@nevada.edu> >>
>
> He has placed a description and price on the CR For Sale page... <A
> HREF="http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/forsale.htm">Classic Rendezvous For
Sale</A>
>
> Dale Brown
> List manager
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:40:21 EST
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Cold setting 753....
>
> In a message dated 11/19/00 2:39:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> monkey37@bluemarble.net writes:
>
> <<This is just Reynolds hype. I've spread at least three 753 rear ends
from
> 126mm to 130mm. I've also realigned a few of the fork blades and at least
> one twisted headtube. I have seen a Raleigh 753 frame bread into three
> separate parts after hitting a haybale in a crit race. I've also seen
> downtubes crack after a header even if there wasn't a ripple in the tube.
> Many high end tubesets are quite brittle for many reasons that I won't go
> into here >>
>
> Gee Brandon, I am nervous about your statement. Or at least what some
readers
> might infer from them..
>
> Of course one can (and obviously you have) cold set 753. Adding 2 mm per
side
> is maybe not so risky, that doesn't mean it is a good idea. In fact 753
> probably should NOT be cold manipulated like we can "get away with" in
other
> steels.
>
> I believe the approach to 753 should be certainly different from most
other
> garden variety bike tubing and dramatic cold setting may likely lead to
> failure sooner or later. Even cold setting the stays a smidgen , while
> apparently successful, may have introduced stress risers that might be
back
> to haunt you.
>
> Dale Brown
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: "Bob & Nancy" <rscott@nemonet.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:27:28 -0600
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Introduction
>
> I'm Bob Scott and I live in Hannibal, Missouri. My interest in this =
> list is due to a 1972 Motobecane Le Champion I bought new. It was =
> replaced by a Rivendell several years ago. I have been sitting in on =
> the list for the past week trying to learn the best approach to finding =
> a new home for the Motobecane. =20
>
> Because of my rural location I have had to do my own maintenance and =
> repair. In the process I have acquired several spare parts and supplies =
> just for the bike (spindles, headsets, deraileurs, etc). If I sell the =
> bike I need to sell the parts as well. There is not a great market in =
> Hannibal for classic bikes so I need to learn the best approaches from =
> you. My son has prepared an e-Bay ad for me, but I'm not ready to run =
> it until I get a rough sense of its value. Any help would be =
> appreciated. I've already learned a great deal in just this one week of =
> "looking over your shoulder".
>
>
> Bob & Nancy Scott
> 213 Park Terrace Drive
> Hannibal, MO 63401-3688
> 573-221-3021
> rscott@nemonet.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:26:12 -0500
> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
> To: Bob & Nancy <rscott@nemonet.com>
> CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Introduction
>
> Bob, a description of the size, condition, color and equipment of the bike
would help, and pictures would be even better. Assuming very good condition
and most original equipment, a high end Motobecane will usually bring $300
to $400. Even if it is really mint, you probably won't do much better than
$500. I personally think good French bikes are undervalued, but that is the
truth of the current market. Of course, on eBay anything can happen.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
>
> Bob & Nancy wrote:
>
> > I'm Bob Scott and I live in Hannibal, Missouri. My interest in this
list is due to a 1972 Motobecane Le Champion I bought new. It was replaced
by a Rivendell several years ago. I have been sitting in on the list for
the past week trying to learn the best approach to finding a new home for
the Motobecane.
> >
> > Because of my rural location I have had to do my own maintenance and
repair. In the process I have acquired several spare parts and supplies
just for the bike (spindles, headsets, deraileurs, etc). If I sell the bike
I need to sell the parts as well. There is not a great market in Hannibal
for classic bikes so I need to learn the best approaches from you. My son
has prepared an e-Bay ad for me, but I'm not ready to run it until I get a
rough sense of its value. Any help would be appreciated. I've already
learned a great deal in just this one week of "looking over your shoulder".
> >
> > Bob & Nancy Scott
> > 213 Park Terrace Drive
> > Hannibal, MO 63401-3688
> > 573-221-3021
> > rscott@nemonet.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: "C. Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:05:30 -0800
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Query: What's a Blue Riband bike?
>
> Anybody here know anything about a french-made 60s bike known as a *Blue =
> Riband* with Stronglight 49d cranks, gran sport derailleurs and Record =
> hubs. Higher line bike.
>
> Please reply to chasds@mindspring.com or brianblum@hotmail.com
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:56:47 EST
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Query: What's a Blue Riband bike?
> To: chasds@mindspring.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> That be a Hobbs of Barbican model......(Not French at all, but veddy veddy
> British!)
>
> http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/
>
> There was a pretty nice example, full chromed, for sale on Ebay a year
plus
> ago by a Mr. Scott, I believe, in the Midwest.. Do others recall that
> gentleman who occasionally has early stuff for sale?
>
> Also I think the name has a significance that I do not know. Can one of
our
> British members expound upon that for us?
>
> Dale Brown
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> From: "David Goerndt" <davidg@iag.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:56:03 -0500
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Stronglight 93 cranks
>
> I was asked a question about Stronglight 93 crank threading. Were they
> available in only French threading or were they also available with
English
> threading?
>
> David Goerndt
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Reply-To: "Russ Fitzgerald" <rfitzger@emeraldis.com>
> From: "Russ Fitzgerald" <rfitzger@emeraldis.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:26:34 -0500
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Lyotard mod. 23 Marcel Berthet pedals
>
> Okay, so I went and looked up that Marcel Berthet held the World Hour
Record
> in 1907 and again in 1913. I note that the model number of the pedals in
> question is "23," and wonder if that could therefore indicate the year of
> introduction to the market.
>
> I'm curious about how many variants there are to these things. I know
that
> there is a line drawing on Dale's site of what appears to be a VERY early
> version of these, the most wonderful pedals ever made.
>
> I know that I have two different variants. the ones I got a couple of
years
> ago from a bike shop's junk pile have round hollow areas where they thread
> into the cranks and two wrench flats. The set I got this week, NOS but
> without box (alas!) have allen-key fittings and hexagonal areas for
wrenches
> to fit.
>
> I seem to recall a discussion of these on the old list, but cannot find
any
> of the material in my 'puter, so perhaps the discussion was prior to July
1,
> 1999. Among other things, one criticism is that the spindles were not as
> strong as one could wish, and would have been better had they been
> chrome-moly. At any rate, if anyone has any information they wish to
> contribute, lemme know. I'm thinking of writing something about them, and
> while I'll mostly focus on how well they work, it would be nice to have a
> tad more history to draw upon.
>
> Thanks,
> Russ Fitzgerald
> Greenwood SC
> rfitzger@emeraldis.com
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> Reply-To: "Russ Fitzgerald" <rfitzger@emeraldis.com>
> From: "Russ Fitzgerald" <rfitzger@emeraldis.com>
> To: "David Goerndt" <davidg@iag.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Stronglight 93 cranks
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:15:52 -0500
>
> David,
>
> Stronglight mod. 93s came in both French and English pedal threading. My
> 1973 PX-10E has French metric pedal threads, and marked as such. The 1974
> PX-10LE I traded off last year had English 9/16 x 20, which were also
marked
> as such. I seem to remember that Jerry Moos has or had a bike with
English
> threaded cranks factory equipped with French threaded pedals. Go figure.
>
> This is, of course, leaving out all the older cranks out there marked
metric
> but retapped and threaded to English. I've got a set of those, too ....
;>)
>
> I sometimes wonder if Stronglight started going to English only as early
as
> the mid-70s. I disremember if the data we were getting for the
spreadsheet
> mentioned pedal thread ...
>
> Russ Fitzgerald
> Greenwood SC
> rfitzger@emeraldis.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Goerndt <davidg@iag.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 19, 2000 10:55 PM
> Subject: [Classicrendezvous] Stronglight 93 cranks
>
>
> >I was asked a question about Stronglight 93 crank threading. Were they
> >available in only French threading or were they also available with
English
> >threading?
> >
> >David Goerndt
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:27:49 -0800
> To: "David Goerndt" <davidg@iag.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Stronglight 93 cranks
>
> The cranks were available threaded for either British or French threads.
> Bottom brackets were the usual British, French, Italian, Swiss.
>
> Joe "Don't buy any rare Swiss lockrings" Bender-Zanoni
>
>
> At 10:56 PM 11/19/00 -0500, David Goerndt wrote:
> >I was asked a question about Stronglight 93 crank threading. Were they
> >available in only French threading or were they also available with
English
> >threading?
> >
> >David Goerndt
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:47:49 -0500
> From: gregparker1 <GregParker1@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Holdsworth Team Bikes
> To: "INTERNET:RALEIGH531@aol.com" <RALEIGH531@aol.com>
> Cc: gregparker1 <110404.153@compuserve.com>, swampmtn@siscom.net,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>
> In a message dated 11/19/00 4:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> swampmtn@siscom.net writes:
>
> > The shortest Cinelli I've been able to find advertised is 10cm.
> > (International Pro Catelog, 1982)
>
> I believe I have an 85 mm old logo 1A.
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, Pa
>
>
> The 1As definitely went down to 70 mm, as that's my wife's size
> (in general, depending on TT length). I guess my recollection of
> the 1R was a little fuzzy. I've never seen a 1R shorter than 95,
> but it appears that they were made as short as 85 from what the
> other folks are saying.
>
> Greg "I stand corrected" Parker
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 20
> From: DMart84815@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:03:31 EST
> Subject: Re: [Classicrendezvous] Cinelli logos
> To: moos@penn.com
> CC: ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> Hello Jerry.
> In regards to the reason
why
> Mr. A. Colombo changed from the beloved Cinelli Coat of Arms to the Winged
C.
> I remember reading a profile of Cino Cinelli in an old issue of Bicycle
> Guide. The interviewer asked Cino why the change? Mr. Cinelli responded
> something to the effect that "Its like when a new boss comes in and moves
the
> funiture around". I believe that the Cinelli Coat of Arms uses certain
parts
> of the City of Milans C of A (like Alfa Romeo and Masi) the knights helmet
> apparently belonged to his father. I will try to dig up that back issue of
BG
> for specifics. Speaking of Bicycle
Guide,
> if anyone knows how I can get in touch with former BG editor John Derven,
> please contact me off the list.
> Best Wishes,
> Dave Martinez
>
> Fremont Ca
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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