No, it's not the barcon cable that I'm referring to. I actually have some of those too, but I didn't include them in my list of observations because I consider them to be something that existed alongside the other designs rather than as part of the "downtube cable continuum."
> Tom,
>
> It just occurred to me, that you might be describing
> Campy's gear cable for
> bar-cons. This is a much coarser weave which is
> much more flexible. I
> assumed that you knew, but maybe I shouldn't assume.
> These also are almost
> always a dark color. Could this be the cable you
> are thinking about?
>
> Marc
>
>
> Marc Boral wrote:
>
> > Yes Tom, I have NOS sets with the thinner
> stainless cable........for the
> > second time :-) My literature says that the
> inserts are interchangeable
> > for both Syncro & Syncro II.
> >
> > I am not sure about there being a difference in
> the fat cables. I
> > understand your description, but I can't find any
> difference between the
> > larger diameter gear cables. I've got hundreds of
> examples from the
> > early years and the very last years. Here's an
> observation though:
> > Gear cables prior to the mid '80s vary wildly in
> their coloring. It
> > seems some of the strands tended to oxidize much
> faster than other
> > strands within the same cable. Sometimes NOS
> cables can be nice and
> > silver, consistently dull grey silver, darker
> grey, silver w/dark grey
> > stripes............you get the picture. But on
> the mid '80s cables,
> > they seem not to oxidize, so the color is brighter
> and consistent.
> > Could it be that the older cables look to be
> coarser, because of the
> > oxidized strands? But then that would not
> account for your observation
> > of wind angle. Sorry, I don't have an answer.
> >
> > Marc Boral
> >
> > Tom Dalton wrote:
> >
> > > Marc:
> > >
> > > Do you have Syncro I's that were packed with the
> > > skinny cables? I had the impression that the
> early
> > > ones were packed with wound stainless housing
> and fat
> > > cables. Maybe that's why they never worked for
> me, I
> > > was using the wrong cables... oh never mind,
> they
> > > never worked for anyone!
> > >
> > > Did the Syncro I's use the same inserts as the
> II's? I
> > > recall the Chorus having it's own suite of
> inserts for
> > > 6 and 7 speeds in both A and B positions and I
> never
> > > thought of those as Syncro I fare. Thus I
> assumed
> > > that the II came out in support of the Chorus.
> But we
> > > all know what happens when we assume...
> > >
> > > In any event, do you know the answer to the more
> > > pressing question (from my perspective) of when
> the
> > > fat cables went from the coarse to the fine
> windings?
> > >
> > > Tom Dalton
> > >
> > > --- Marc Boral <mbikealive@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > I respectfully disagree. All the NOS sets of
> Syncro
> > > > (debut in '87) I
> > > > have, come with the thinner stainless cables.
> > > > Syncro II debuted in '88,
> > > > a year after Chorus.
> > > >
> > > > Marc Boral
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom Dalton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As I recall, the first generation Syncro
> levers
> > > > used
> > > > > the heavy cables and the Snycro II's used
> the
> > > > skinny
> > > > > cables. Because the switch to an
> > > > index-appropriate
> > > > > cable on the Syncro II was the driving force
> > > > behind
> > > > > the change, it is the first appearence of
> those
> > > > > shifters that you need to date. I realize
> that I
> > > > am
> > > > > answering your question with another
> question, but
> > > > it
> > > > > should be much easier to determine when
> Campy
> > > > > introduced a new indexing system than a new
> type
> > > > of
> > > > > cable.
> > > > >
> > > > > My best guess on the intro of the Syncro II
> would
> > > > be
> > > > > that it coincided with the intro of Chorus.
> I
> > > > think I
> > > > > remember first seeing ad for Chorus in the
> fall of
> > > > > 1987.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a point of general info to all list
> subscribers
> > > > I
> > > > > offer the following, and request correction
> if I
> > > > am in
> > > > > error:
> > > > >
> > > > > The oldest Campy cables in my stash are made
> up of
> > > > > heavy strands wound at a shollow angle
> relative to
> > > > the
> > > > > length of the wire. The surface of the
> cable is
> > > > > somewhat rough. The head is stamped with a
> > > > > C-in-diamond logo on top.
> > > > >
> > > > > The next newer cables are have the same
> marking
> > > > and
> > > > > are the same thickness, but the starnds are
> finer
> > > > and
> > > > > are wound at a steeper angle (they wind
> around
> > > > more
> > > > > times). The suface is smoother. I think
> these
> > > > came
> > > > > around in the early 80's, but I have no real
> basis
> > > > for
> > > > > that assertion.
> > > > >
> > > > > The next cables are identical to those
> above, but
> > > > the
> > > > > logo is on the side of the head and is just
> a
> > > > plain C.
> > > > > I think of these as early C-record cables,
> > > > because
> > > > > they are what came with the retrofrictions.
> That
> > > > puts
> > > > > them at 1985/86 to 1989 or so.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I mentioned above, I think the first thin
> > > > cables
> > > > > came with the first Syncro II's at the time
> of the
> > > > > Chorus intro. If I'm wrong here it is
> likely that
> > > > > they came out later when the large-wrap
> Syncro's
> > > > came
> > > > > out to operate double pivot (Campag-nono?)
> rear
> > > > ders
> > > > > in 1990.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only subsequent change that I have
> noticed is
> > > > the
> > > > > revision of the C logo on the side of the
> cable
> > > > end to
>
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