most of the in my collection is 25-50 years old. the best of it is NIB. none of this stuff is from my original childhood stash; all of it came in the last decade, or so. i never questioned whether the part(s) in question showed up here in the exact same box it left its factory in. how would i know? why would i care? as long as the packaging is correct for the part, and hopefully not mangled, that would be good enough for me. what harm is there if the new owner of this box at issue matches it up with the correct hubs that are new, in his possession, and now will have a beautiful nest to reside in, finally? e-RICHIE
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:11:13 -0800 "John" <velostuf@qwest.net> writes:
> Steven-
>
> I agree with you that it's dishonest to do that. But why would you
> assume that
> he is going to do that? If you know the buyer, and know his
> tendencies, then
> I'll step aside, and completely agree with you and John Dunn, but
> I'd like to
> think that the buyer is a collector, and that the box will enrich
> his collection
> to his liking.
>
> "Steven L. Sheffield" wrote:
>
> > I think what John Dunn (the original John) is trying to say is
> that if you
> > have a pair of NOS hubs (no box) and a box, you do not all of a
> sudden have
> > a pair of NIB hubs (which are typically worth more than NOS hubs).
> >
> > If they aren't in the original box, they aren't NIB, and should
> not be sold
> > as such ... and very likely, the purchaser of the box is going to
> attempt to
> > do so with the box he got in the discussed auction.
> >
> > If the purchaser of the box is going to use the box to attempt to
> bump the
> > value of his hubs by saying they're NIB, he is being unethical and
> > dishonest.
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "John" <velostuf@qwest.net>
> > Reply-To: velostuf@qwest.net
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]re: Old Campy Hubset Box
> > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:15:57 -0800
> >
> > John-
> >
> > I don't think it's dirty, dishonest, or absurd for the value of a
> > collectable item to be increased with the addition of a box or
> other
> > packaging. I suspect you're not a collector of old bikes or parts,
> > because if you were, you may understand why someone would trade
> money
> > for a paper box. One person's junk, is anothers treasure- don't
> you
> > see? EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT VALUES-
> >
> > I believe that the intent of the buyer of the old box, is to match
> up a
> > set of hubs with the correct box. Nothing more, nothing less.
> >
> > If it costs the guy over $100 to do that, so what? What's the big
> deal?
> >
> > My gut feeling is that in 10 years, we will look back on the
> prices that
> > things are trading for now, and think that this is cheap!
> >
> > John Barron
> > Minneapolis
> >
> > John Dunn wrote-
> > Incredible? Yes, but wouldn't absurd be a more apt description,
> > especially
> > if, as someone implied, that this box would be used to bump the
> "value"
> > of a
> > set of hubs?
> >
> > John Dunn in Napa Valley