Re: [CR]Zeus Crank ID...?

(Example: Framebuilding:Tubing)

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:51:23 -0800
To: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>, renaissance-cycles <info@renaissance-cycles.com>
From: "Joseph Bender-Zanoni" <jfbender@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [CR]Zeus Crank ID...?
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <3A6A4715.BE1BB8E5@penn.com>
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I remember the Stronglight toool as being a marginal fit to remove the Zeus bolt because the remover threads are a smaller diameter on the Zeus. The Stronglight tool just barely engages the top of the Zeus boltI have only seen the Zeus tool once and it has a very thin wall. Kind of dopy really.

Joe "Wish I had more Zeus" Bender-Zanoni At 09:19 PM 1/20/01 -0500, Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
>Actually, BC, I'm cool, since, as a true Francophile, I have several Stronglight
>crank extractors, the lever arm of which was also a 16mm crank bolt wrench.
>(Non French folks may not understand this, but they must trust me on this).
>
>Regards,
>
>Jerry "Zeus, like rock & roll, will never die" Moos
>
>renaissance-cycles wrote:
>
>> Hey Jerry!
>>
>> Is the 16 mm hard to remove because you might not be using a 16 mm
>> crank-bolt
>> wrench but a 16 mm socket?............If so, and if you might be in need of
>> a ''Zeus''
>> 16 mm crank-bolt tool!..I know where I can get a ''NEW'' one for you, just
>> not sure
>> on the price!...Anybody else, let me know?!?
>>
>> Sorry Dale! I know I'm over the ''line'' with the pricing of this
>> tool........I just don't
>> have a......clue....on my suppliers price, been looking at them for the last
>> year!!!
>>
>> BC, Baron Corpuz.......Buying up Europe!!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jerry & Liz Moos <moos@penn.com>
>> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CR]Zeus Crank ID...?
>>
>> > Sorry, the cranks bolts are 16 mm, not 116, 16 is already hard enough to
>> remove at
>> > times.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Jerry Moos
>> >
>> > Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
>> >
>> > > So Brad, care to speculate where our mysterious Cosmos gruppo fits into
>> the
>> > > picture? Crank profile is more rounded than old Criterium, but less so
>> than New
>> > > Racer, one long single-level flute like Criterium. Arms are polished
>> but rings
>> > > more satin. Rings are not drilled and have webbing like later "aero"
>> cranks.
>> > > Logo on arms is the "Z", but enclosed in a circle that says "Zeus
>> Spain". The
>> > > BB spindle is chromed steel and says "Zeus 114-55", the calipers verify
>> the
>> > > 114mm length. The crank bolts are chromed "Zeus Spain" and are the
>> classic Zeus
>> > > 116mm, which Zeus had in common with Stronglight. Ever seen this stuff?
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Jerry Moos
>> > >
>> > > Stockwell, Brad wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > To All:
>> > > >
>> > > > Holy Cow! I recently got back from vacation and have noted that
>> > > > apparently there is a post-millenial Zeus 'Anschluss' in progress -
>> there's
>> > > > been tons of stuff on Ebay and elsewhere lately and I've been going
>> nuts!
>> > > > There is no more room in my garage! There is no more money in my
>> pocket!
>> > > >
>> > > > REGARDING IDENTIFICATION OF ZEUS CRANKS:
>> > > > From about '74 to '79, all Zeus crankarms have the same shape. If
>> you
>> > > > check the Zeus parts page on 'le Rendezvous', the photo of the crank
>> with
>> > > > the reddish background (below the photo of the hubs) is from the 1977
>> Zeus
>> > > > 103 catalog and although this photo particularly depicts the 2000
>> model, it
>> > > > shows the generic topology.
>> > > >
>> > > > Starting with this image, you get yourself a Criterium crank by
>> deleting
>> > > > the slots in the arms, the holes in the rings, and the black coating
>> on the
>> > > > chainring bolts. From there, you get you a Gran Sport crank by
>> deleting the
>> > > > milling in the spider arms, using a softer grade of aluminum, and
>> replacing
>> > > > the Zeus-in-an-oval logo with the older Zeus-world logo.
>> > > >
>> > > > In a manner which mimics Campy, 1977's Gran Sport crank is twins
>> with
>> > > > 1971's Criterium.
>> > > >
>> > > > There were at least 5 versions of the 2000 crank. The early one
>> (version
>> > > > 1, I don't know when it premiered but It was before I joined the party
>> in
>> > > > '75) had 3 equal-length slots milled all-the-way-through the arms. A
>> later
>> > > > one (v2) had 3 through-slots which tapered in length (shortest one at
>> the
>> > > > pedal end). By '77 (v3), Zeus had stopped putting the slots all the
>> way
>> > > > through, despite the fact that the picture in the 103 catalog still
>> showed
>> > > > them. By '79 the Zeus 104 catalog showed the design pictured in the
>> second
>> > > > crank photo on the Zeus Rendesvous parts page (with the 'sand' colored
>> > > > background - I call this version 5). In this model the rings are
>> beefier,
>> > > > the arms have a different aspect ratio, and look! We've changed the
>> logo
>> > > > again! In '78 there was a hybrid (v4) that had the '79-style rings on
>> the
>> > > > '77-style arms.
>> > > >
>> > > > Circa '80, there was a 'Supercronos' crank which was the Criterium
>> arms
>> > > > with the 2000 rings. (There was an early Supercronos parts group which
>> was a
>> > > > cocktail of criterium parts mixed with the flashier 2000 derailleurs
>> and
>> > > > chainrings, and the 2001 sidepulls.)
>> > > >
>> > > > After '80, the criterium crank had the beefier rings mentioned above
>> but
>> > > > without the holes.
>> > > >
>> > > > Sometime before '86 Zeus changed the arm design to get the
>> 'Aero-look' in
>> > > > the new Supercronos and New Racer (think updated Gran sport) cranks.
>> The
>> > > > aero crank style is shown in the New Racer ad at the bottom of the
>> Zeus
>> > > > Rendesvous parts page. The Supercronos had drilled rings, the New
>> Racer
>> > > > didn't. The Supercronos arms can be distinguished from the New Racer
>> arms
>> > > > by checking out the finish: if it's satiny anodization, it's
>> Supercronos; if
>> > > > it's shiny polished aluminum, it's New Racer.
>> > > >
>> > > > All the '70's cranks used a 118mm spindle (like stronglight) and to
>> the
>> > > > best of my measurement ability have 119mm chainring bolt circle
>> diameters.
>> > > > I suspect that some people call it 120mm because they distrusted their
>> > > > senses and picked the closest round number. In '79, the titanium in
>> the
>> > > > 2000 BB (and elsewhere in the 2000 series) was replaced with another
>> metal
>> > > > referred to as Titanox, which I can now confirm is magnetic (via
>> testing
>> > > > with 28MGO Samarium Cobalt) and I'll guess that it is some form of
>> stainless
>> > > > steel since it is uncoated.
>> > > >
>> > > > The later cranks use a 110 spindle with the same 55mm flange spacing
>> and
>> > > > cups as the 70's models.
>> > > >
>> > > > Brad Stockwell
>> > > > Palo Alto (year 2000 final tally: 6210 bike miles - only about a
>> factor
>> > > > of 3 less than Lance!)
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Harvey M Sachs [mailto:sachs@erols.com]
>> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 6:58 AM
>> > > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> > > > Subject: [CR]Zeus Crank ID...?
>> > > >
>> > > > Lads & Lassies -
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm trying to identify a Zeus Crank set (so I can sell
>> or
>> > > > trade it).
>> > > >
>> > > > Classic-looking 5-arm, with Zeus-pattern bolt circle
>> > > > (slightly smaller than
>> > > > Campy).
>> > > > Arm looks like Criterium at
>> > > > http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/zeus_crit_cranks.htm
>> > > > but forged arms, not a 5-pin adapter as shown. Arm
>> has
>> > > > groove and slight
>> > > > elevation for the pedal hole, as shown there.
>> > > > No metal-worming (drilling) on the rings.
>> > > >
>> > > > Definitely NOT New Racer chainrings as shown in
>> > > > http://www.cyclesdeoro.com/Zeus_N_rac.htm - has shape
>> like
>> > > > the 2000 rings.
>> > > >
>> > > > (Gee, thanks, Dale, for the wonderful photo albums
>> that give
>> > > > us reference
>> > > > instead of just trying to drool words).
>> > > >
>> > > > Harvey Sachs
>> > > >
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