Re: [CR]Raleigh Carlton Questions

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From: "Russ Fitzgerald" <rfitzger@emeraldis.com>
To: "Carl Gonzalez" <bikecg@worldnet.att.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]Raleigh Carlton Questions
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:20:08 -0500


Carl,

Jerry is right about the older ones from the very late 60s - I've seen older ones with fancy looking lugs that WEREN'T Nervex pros ... also older ones with flat crown on fork. The Zeus era ones that I've seen had the white oval headbadge; Zeus cranks; Simplex derailleurs; Weinmann 999 cp brakes; really rather pretty ...

For second period ones, I refer to my 1973 Raleigh Competition as I write this -

Stock tubing was 531 - so you may have replacement tubing stickers. I've seen them with plain (Dubois-ish) lugs; mine has Nervex Professionals. Mine also has the sloping Cinelli-esque fork crown, which I seem to remember came in no later than 1972 ... mine also has the arc-shaped rear brake cable hanger. Huret dropouts, half-chromed fork with painted stays ... Traditional heron-head Raleigh headbadge, brass, shaped ...

Stock color was black T.A. 3-pin alloy crankset w/ 42/52T T.A. BB Weinmann 999 long-reach centerpulls, black Carleton hoods on factory semi- drilled-out levers GB nutted stem with 38cm c-c unmarked (GB?) alloy bars, black ribbed plastic bar tape (feels kinda rubbery - like rubber mats on stairs ...) Huret Jubilee derailleur set by 1972, through at least 1974 if not later ... Brampton (?) headset Normandy Lux Competition hi-flange hubs, RED label, rims on mine are ghastly AVA non-eyeletted sewup rims - M.M. Atom straight-handled skewers Maillard 14-24 5-speed freewheel straight alloy seatpost with Brooks saddle clamp, what appears to be a B.17N saddle (in terrible shape, but chromed rails) pedals were missing on mine, but I bet they were either Atom or Lyotard quill units

This was what was catalogued as the Competition Mk. II ... though the decals on mine say "Competition."

The Competition GS is featured at the retro-raleigh site - <<www.speakeasy.org/~tabula/raleigh/ >> but it features the Campy GS components, with Weinmann sidepulls if memory serves me ... those came in both black and silver, I think.

Somewhere in there, the Competition was made in a version with SunTour dropouts ... but the SunTour V-luxe derailleur was a relatively inexpensive unit. I would suspect that someone either killed the original Hurets, or stripped them off and sold them. The Huret Jubilee derailleur set in good, clean condition is worth a surprising amount of money ...

Russ Fitzgerald
Greenwood SC
rfitzger@emeraldis.com