I tried this in Berkeley 3 times last year. The first had 1 other rider. The others were to visit Rivendell and I needed a commitment of at least 8 to take Grant Petersens time, which I could never get. I have bribes from Dale Brown in the form of Cycles de Oro caps and T-shirts, if you can find a day where 8 people will come , I will bring the Cycle de Oro goodies. Otherwise I will send them back in June. Brian