[CR]Re: Masi & Waterford


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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:16:25 -0400
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: value of a Masi Prestige? (DMart84815@aol.com) 2. RE: Masi vs Waterford (Rich Rose) 3. Brev. Camp, Patent Campagnolo or nothing??? (scott davis) 4. Re: Masi vs Waterford (Kevin.MacKinnon@kmz.com) 5. Brev Camp, (scott davis) 6. Brev Camp, (scott davis) 7. Re: Masi vs Waterford (Thomas Rawson) 8. Items for sale (walter skrzypek) 9. Re: Masi vs Waterford (Garrison Hilliard) 10. Fw: [CR]Masi vs Waterford (Thomas Rawson) 11. stuck handlebars (Roadgiant@cs.com) 12. Re: Masi vs Waterford (Thomas Rawson) 13. Re: Masi vs Waterford (Garrison Hilliard) 14. ebay (Richard M Sachs) 15. RE: Masi vs Waterford (Mark Petry) 16. Storing bikes in hot attic (Mark Plesko) 17. Re: Storing bikes in hot attic (LouDeeter@aol.com) 18. Re: Masi vs Waterford (Thomas Rawson) 19. Re: Masi vs Waterford (Diane Feldman) 20. Re: Masi vs Waterford (LouDeeter@aol.com) 21. Re: value of a Masi Prestige? (OROBOYZ@aol.com) 22. Re: Masi vs Waterford (OROBOYZ@aol.com) 23. Quality of bikes (was Masi vs Waterford) (OROBOYZ@aol.com) 24. (no subject) (Dennis Johnson) 25. Re: Quality of bikes (was Masi vs Waterford) (Thomas Rawson)

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Message: 1 From: DMart84815@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:18:37 EDT Subject: Re: [CR]value of a Masi Prestige? To: wyoung@stonehenge.ca Cc: ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org

Hello Warren. I own a early 80s Masi Prestige (former Bob Freeman cycle). Personally, I wanted a "real* Italian Masi. The Prestige is quite elegant with a ornately engraved flat crown beautifully finished dropouts with chrome tips and restrained graphics. The seat lug has a paper thin gap though....bummer! But, hey I have seen a '68 Masi Special and 70s GC with a equally unforgiveable sins. The Prestige has "Masi" everything including-bars,stem,rims,post,shifters and a Ti Campag Groupo with freewheel to boot! Comparing the Prestige with a early 70s GC, the Prestige handles quicker than the old GC. You can hop on the GC and forget about it, with the Prestige you have to kinda plot your course. The Prestige is uncommon in the USA, the graphics and paint are nice and the handling is quicker than a GC, I would check out the quality of construction and determine a price from that stand point. Good Luck

Dave Martinez Fremont Ca

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Message: 2 Subject: RE: [CR]Masi vs Waterford Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:38:01 -0400 From: "Rich Rose" <rrose@normandassociates.com> To: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Are we talking current Masi, as in "Milano", or comparing a vintage Masi with a current Waterford? No matter. I think that Waterfords might be the nicest "production" frames that I have seen. Others more knowledgeable than I may disagree? Not an RS or a Weigle (Baylis, Bohemian etc...), perhaps, but really nice steel frames. Richard Rose (Toledo, Ohio)

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Rawson Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:33 PM To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Masi vs Waterford

The old Product Manager in me is curious about something. Wonder if the list is curious as well.

Supposing you were going to buy a road bike today. Given our general preferences lets say it would be steel, lugged, one color.

Would you buy a Masi or a Waterford and why?

Tom Rawson Oakland, CA (formerly Brookline Village, MA and Guilford, CT)

To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Brev. Camp, Patent Campagnolo or nothing???

Sorry for the previous 2 misfired msgs. Anyway, does anyone know the deal on the Campy NR/SR brake center bolts? It seems like "Brev. Camp," was used in the early 70s. If there is nothing stamped on the centerbolts, does it mean they're a copy? Thanks Scott

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Message: 4 Subject: Re: [CR]Masi vs Waterford To: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org From: Kevin.MacKinnon@kmz.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:53:10 -0500

I'd also be curious about the group's appraisal of Serotta's conspicuously lugged CSI.

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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:13:55 -0700 (PDT) From: scott davis <francopedia@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Brev Camp,

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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:14:02 -0700 (PDT) From: scott davis <francopedia@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Brev Camp,

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Message: 7 Reply-To: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net> From: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net> To: "Rich Rose" <rrose@normandassociates.com> Cc: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi vs Waterford Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:17:58 -0700

Rich, Yah, sorry should have said 25 year old Masi. Hoping to hit two examples of higher quality production frames. Trying not to lead answers but looking for list of attributes that includes not only the visible - physical stuff but price/value, "history".
Thanks
Tom


----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Rose
To: Thomas Rawson


<Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [CR]Masi vs Waterford

Are we talking current Masi, as in "Milano", or comparing a vintage Masi with a current Waterford? No matter. I think that Waterfords might be the nicest "production" frames that I have seen. Others more knowledgeable than I may disagree? Not an RS or a Weigle (Baylis, Bohemian etc...), perhaps, but really nice steel frames. Richard Rose (Toledo, Ohio)

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Rawson Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:33 PM To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Masi vs Waterford

The old Product Manager in me is curious about something. Wonder if the list is curious as well.

Supposing you were going to buy a road bike today. Given our general preferences lets say it would be steel, lugged, one color.

Would you buy a Masi or a Waterford and why?

Tom Rawson Oakland, CA (formerly Brookline Village, MA and Guilford, CT)