Re: [CR]RE: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #750 - 25 msgs

> For "Kroil" go to Brownell's gunsmithing supplies.
>
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> 1. Re: Masi or Waterford (RALEIGH531@aol.com)
> 2. Re: stuck handlebars...help, please (Garrison Hilliard)
> 3. Re: Masi or Waterford (Thomas Rawson)
> 4. Re: Stuck stem (krawls)
> 5. Re: (Roy H. Drinkwater)
> 6. Re: Re: (Rick Chasteen)
> 7. It worked out I now own a 70s Paramount track bike
> (Wornoutguy@aol.com)
> 8. Discovering Why Good Parts Are Good (Paulie Davis)
> 9. Need Help Identifying old Simplex Derailleur (Scott Goldstein)
> 10. RE: RE: Masi vs. Waterford (kevin weitzel)
> 11. RE: RE: [CR]RE: Masi vs. Waterford (stevens)
> 12. Re: CR folk at Bike Show in Lost Wages (Sarah Gibson)
> 13. Re: RE: RE: [CR]RE: Masi vs. Waterford (Roy H. Drinkwater)
> 14. raleigh cyclocross frame (Russell roth)
> 15. Simplex Derailuer (skip)
> 16. oops simplex deraileuer (skip)
> 17. Re: CR folk at Bike Show in Lost Wages (Sheldon Brown)
> 18. Re: Re: Stuck stem (Garrison Hilliard)
> 19. Simplex derailleur (Roy H. Drinkwater)
> 20. Re: Re: (RALEIGH531@aol.com)
> 21. Kroil (OROBOYZ@aol.com)
> 22. Re: RE: Masi vs. Waterford (Thomas Rawson)
> 23. Re: Kroil (Brian Baylis)
> 24. Re: Kroil (RALEIGH531@aol.com)
> 25. Re: Kroil (Chuck Schmidt)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> From: RALEIGH531@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:06:40 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi or Waterford
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 8/29/01 8:51:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ELandpapa@aol.com writes:
>
>
> > I've never owned a custom frame and only know what I've learned from this
> > list about Masi and Waterford, however I did ride my 1994 Bianchi Eros
> > 40.3
> > miles today in 93% heat and high humidity and enjoyed every
> > mile.Consequently, if I was looking for a new bike and money was no object
>
> > I
> >
>
> Go look at new Bianchi's and see what you think.
> They've been inflicted with the same high tech disease as most every other
> volume producer. The Bianchi lugged train left the station a few years
> ago............
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Garrison Hilliard <garrison@efn.org>
> To: Huemax@aol.com
> Cc: Roadgiant@cs.com, twrawson@worldnet.att.net, OROBOYZ@aol.com,
> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]stuck handlebars...help, please
>
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 Huemax@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I have also situation with my Lambert, totally stuck.
>
> Well, yeah... if you have the Lambert "death fork", you are stuck!
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Reply-To: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>
> From: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <RALEIGH531@aol.com>
> Cc: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi or Waterford
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:26:27 -0700
>
> Bianchi's not alone in sailing away from what was once cool
> stuff. Point of original question was to get at what we value -
> both the tangible, physical and social, cultural. Think its good
> to focus on the "attributes" and recognize which is which. I find
> it hard to revere old stuff because its old. But old stuff that
> is truly good is truly worth lusting for. New stuff that is good
> is the future collectible - with any luck - and a steady hand at
> the helm - so supporting that is important too.
>
> Seen too much junk at swap meets to think its all good and I dont
> pine for a time that was. Want to know which is good from
> whenever and why. Havent found a curly stay Hetchins in 62Cm
> after a year of looking so good stuff gets known and bought and
> hoarded cause they dont make it anymore - thats an attribute that
> has value.
> Tom Rawson
> Oakland, CA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RALEIGH531@aol.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi or Waterford
>
>
> > In a message dated 8/29/01 8:51:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > ELandpapa@aol.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > I've never owned a custom frame and only know what I've
> learned from this
> > > list about Masi and Waterford, however I did ride my 1994
> Bianchi Eros
> > > 40.3
> > > miles today in 93% heat and high humidity and enjoyed every
> > > mile.Consequently, if I was looking for a new bike and money
> was no object
> > > I
> > >
> >
> > Go look at new Bianchi's and see what you think.
> > They've been inflicted with the same high tech disease as most
> every other
> > volume producer. The Bianchi lugged train left the station a
> few years
> > ago............
> >
> > Pete Geurds
> > Douglassville, PA
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Reply-To: "krawls" <krawls@visuallink.com>
> From: "krawls" <krawls@visuallink.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:14:57 -0400
> Subject: [CR]Re: Stuck stem
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have successfully used "Kroil" to unstick stuck stems and seat posts.
>
> Never failed. Sometimes I have had to soak for a week but they always
> eventually break loose.
>
> Sorry but I do not know where to tell you to get it. My can is 10 years
> old.
>
> Perhaps a Yahoo search?
>
> Karen Rawls
> In Sunny but busy Winchester VA
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:49:20 -0400
> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@mac.com>
> Subject: [CR]Re:
>
> It was typed by Karen Rawls:
>
> >I have successfully used "Kroil" to unstick stuck stems and seat posts...
> >Sorry but I do not know where to tell you to get it...
> >Perhaps a Yahoo search?
>
> First hit in Google: http://www.kanolabs.com/kanopnlu.htm
>
> I've already ordered my 55 gallon drum... ;^)
>
> Roy "well-lubed" Drinkwater
> Lititz, PA
>
> p.s. I'm a happy Rendezvouser today, got The Dancing Chain for my
> birthday yesterday, and the #9 Riv catalog came today. It's off to
> the garage for more shellac and Proofide, oh boy!
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: "Rick Chasteen" <rchasteen@kc.rr.com>
> To: "classic list" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re:
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:57:52 -0500
>
> Kroil is good as it gets in my experience.
>
> Rick Chasteen, Kansas City
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy H. Drinkwater <roydrink@mac.com>
> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:49 PM
> Subject: [CR]Re:
>
>
> > It was typed by Karen Rawls:
> >
> > >I have successfully used "Kroil" to unstick stuck stems and seat posts...
> > >Sorry but I do not know where to tell you to get it...
> > >Perhaps a Yahoo search?
> >
> > First hit in Google: http://www.kanolabs.com/kanopnlu.htm
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: Wornoutguy@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:59:37 EDT
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]It worked out I now own a 70s Paramount track bike
>
> It is all original Campi Pista except the saddle is not from the 70s. It is
>
> too large for me is there anyone on the list who wants to talk about trade
> or
> purchase. I just could not pass it up sitting there waiting for me to take
> it home. 21 top tube center to center 20.5 down tube center to center, high
>
> flange hubs, Schwinn 330 sew up rims, full campi pista group with 2 bolt
> seat
> post I can send photos to anyone interested. Sam D.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paulie Davis <paulieflt@yahoo.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Discovering Why Good Parts Are Good
>
> --- Thomas Rawson <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
> > But old stuff that is truly good is truly worth
> lusting for. New stuff that is good is the future
> collectible - with any luck - and a steady hand
> at the helm - so supporting that is important
> too.
>
> As a total newbie, it has been interesting for me
> to see why good parts are so important. A
> freebie Raleigh ("Wow! A Raleigh!") mixte I
> found leaning against a hedge two weeks ago on
> trash morning quickly revealed why it *very much*
> wasn't a collectible when I started to repair it.
>
>
> The wierd stamped brakes wouldn't *adjust* and I
> could not see how they ever could have been made
> to work very well actually. The crank looked
> kinda like a cottered crank, but it wasn't. The
> hubs were wierd. And the more I looked, the less
> I liked and the more I learned why I didn't like
> what I didn't like. (Before, starting out, I had
> only worked with Campagnolo, Suntour and Shimano.
> And, no, I don't wanna talk about the Huret
> derailleur.)
>
> Paulie Davis
> Learning slowly in a cooler Los Angeles
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:23:51 -0700
> To: "classicrendezvous-bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> From: Scott Goldstein <sgpnet@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [CR]Need Help Identifying old Simplex Derailleur
>
>
> Just got this from a mate in England. Would love to know its age and model
> name.
> many thanks
>
> scott
>
>
>
>
> http://www2.sendpix.com/albums/010829/16241400f123c0002d003f7/
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> Message: 10
> From: "kevin weitzel" <kevinsbikes@netzero.net>
> To: "Diane Feldman" <feldmanbike@home.com>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]RE: Masi vs. Waterford
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:40:02 -0700
>
> Tom
> Ooooh! This is such an easy question (s). If I were an auto collector
> and had a 1946 Plymouth, I would have a great automobile. True? However,
> since the acquisition of Plymouth by Chrysler and then a conglomeration of
> Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge, Jeep, Eagle, and AMC I would say that there isn't
> a Plymouth today that has that same mystique or 'history.' I mean, would
> you consider my Plymouth Breeze a car that offers 'history' as part of the
> purchase? O.K. I guess if you count the Prowler you may have an arguement
> but that is not a car for the averagage man/person. I equal this to
> Waterford. Changing the name and producing high quality bike frames isn't
> history. Mercedes has changed year after year with innovation after
> innovation, yet they still have true and well established history. They are
> still sought after as the/a car to have.
> When collecting or buying for value, history, or a simple investment...
> Masi comes to mind. I am sorry, as I don't want to offend a Waterford
> owner, but Waterford AINT no Masi when it comes to this regard. Fineto'
>
> Kevin
> Weitzel
>
>
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> Message: 11
> To: kevinsbikes@netzero.net, feldmanbike@home.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: [CR]RE: Masi vs. Waterford
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:51:59 -0700
>
>
>
>
> Are you aware of the history of Waterford?
>
> Waterford WAS the Schwinn Paramount factory for many, many years.
> When Schwinn went bankrupt (the first time) and was sold to
> Scott/Zell-Chilmark, Richard Schwinn (the only member of the
> family still into bikes) and Marc Muller bought the Paramount
> factory back from the new owners.
>
> Since Schwinn and Paramount were trademarks that now belonged
> to outside investors, Richard and Marc had to change the name.
> The factory was in Waterford, Wisconsin ... hence Waterford
> Precision Cycles.
>
> The 1970s Paramounts (and most especially the 1988 50th Anniversay
> Paramounts) were built by Marc Muller's group in Waterford.
> They were forced into a name change, but the history is there.
>
> Anything called a Schwinn Paramount circa post-1994 is not really
> a Paramount.
>
> The current Waterfords are the only true Paramounts being made
> ... even if they do have a different name.
>
> For more, check WPC's website at:
>
> http://www.waterfordbikes.com
>
> Pay special attention to:
>
> http://www.waterfordbikes.com/hp.htm
>
>
> >--- Original Message ---
> >From: "kevin weitzel" <kevinsbikes@netzero.net>
> >To: "Diane Feldman" <feldmanbike@home.com>
> >Date: 8/29/01 4:40:02 PM
> >
>
> >Tom
> > Ooooh! This is such an easy question (s). If I were an
> auto collector
> >and had a 1946 Plymouth, I would have a great automobile. True?
> However,
> >since the acquisition of Plymouth by Chrysler and then a conglomeration
> of
> >Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge, Jeep, Eagle, and AMC I would say
> that there isn't
> >a Plymouth today that has that same mystique or 'history.'
> I mean, would
> >you consider my Plymouth Breeze a car that offers 'history'
> as part of the
> >purchase? O.K. I guess if you count the Prowler you may have
> an arguement
> >but that is not a car for the averagage man/person. I equal
> this to
> >Waterford. Changing the name and producing high quality bike
> frames isn't
> >history. Mercedes has changed year after year with innovation
> after
> >innovation, yet they still have true and well established history.
> They are
> >still sought after as the/a car to have.
> > When collecting or buying for value, history, or a simple
> investment...
> >Masi comes to mind. I am sorry, as I don't want to offend a
> Waterford
> >owner, but Waterford AINT no Masi when it comes to this regard.
> Fineto'
> >
> > Kevin
> Weitzel
> >
> >
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> Message: 12
> From: "Sarah Gibson" <sadiejane9@hotmail.com>
> To: OROBOYZ@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]CR folk at Bike Show in Lost Wages
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:55:37
>
> dale
> wish i had known this last year. the hotel where we stayed had overbooked so
>
> we were forced to stay in the $2500 a night suites that were six rooms,
> plenty of room for 20, or 200. it was fun while it lasted. just don't drink
> the water(at $17.50 a bottle-the same stuff that sells for .99 at the
> c-store)
> have fun
> peace
> sarah
>
> Sarah Gibson * Old Town Cyclery * Lenexa * Kansas
> 13440 Sante Fe Trail
> Lenexa, KS 66215
> 913 894 5588
> 913 894 5553 fax
> http://www.oldtowncyclery.com/ (mapped)
>
>
>
> >From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: [CR]CR folk at Bike Show in Lost Wages
> >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:29:24 EDT
> >
> >Last year we had a kinda sorta get together of CR folk and a few others at
> >the Las Vegas InterBike which was fun!
> >
> > I am proposing that we do that again.....I propose we get together on
> >Sunday
> >night after the InterBike reception, which I think is supposed to be over
> >at
> >8 PM. I usually get bored at those things and cut out early, so I suggest a
> >7:30 PM gathering somewhere.. That's where I am looking for ideas, as I
> >have
> >little to no knowledge of a suitable restaurant or similar where we can
> >gather a presumed group of 20 or more folks.... Last year we hiked up the
> >street to a really not-so-hot place, so thoughts on this are needed!
> >
> >Dale Brown
> >Greensboro, North Carolina
> >
> >_______________________________________________
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:20:53 -0400
> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: [CR]RE: Masi vs. Waterford
>
> >Anything called a Schwinn Paramount circa post-1994 is not really
> >a Paramount.
> >
> >The current Waterfords are the only true Paramounts being made
> >... even if they do have a different name.
>
>
> My addition to this thread:
>
> 1. Yesterday, while walking my dog to downtown Lititz, I saw a
> Mennonite (liberal Amish) guy riding a Paramount (post -94). Made me
> smile...
>
> 2. My iBOB buddy calls me up and says he's bought TWO Waterford
> frames off of ebay and he's bring them over next week for me to build
> up.
>
> ...small world... ;^)
>
> Roy "already had my chrome Paramount, back in the 80's" Drinkwater
> Lititz "you should see what the Mennonites do with Bridgestones", PA
>
>
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>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:37:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Russell roth <fuzzybunnies@pot.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Reply-To: fuzzybunnies@pot.com
> Subject: [CR]raleigh cyclocross frame
>
> Has anyone seen one of the raleigh cyclocross bikes from around 82. I'm
> looking for one especially now that the season is about here. Saw one last
> year in the red/yellow/black team colours and would like to get a hold of
> one. -Russell Roth
>
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> Message: 15
> Reply-To: "skip" <cgallegro@best1.net>
> From: "skip" <cgallegro@best1.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:38:05 -0700
> Subject: [CR]Simplex Derailuer
>
> Hi, It looks to be a late 1930's Champion Du Monde Extra Leger. I have =
> one on my 1939 Allegro. Used on 4 spds I believe. Craig "foggy on the =
> central coast Griffith
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Reply-To: "skip" <cgallegro@best1.net>
> From: "skip" <cgallegro@best1.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:48:00 -0700
> Subject: [CR]oops simplex deraileuer
>
> Sorry, I was not correct, how about late 1940's to early 1950's Tour de =
> France 4spd. It is not like my Champion du monde. Craig "way off" =
> Griffith
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:48:49 -0400
> To: OROBOYZ@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]CR folk at Bike Show in Lost Wages
>
> Cousin Dale wrote:
> >Last year we had a kinda sorta get together of CR folk and a few others at
> >the Las Vegas InterBike which was fun!
> >
> > I am proposing that we do that again.....I propose we get together on
> Sunday
> >night after the InterBike reception, which I think is supposed to be over
> at
> >8 PM. I usually get bored at those things and cut out early, so I suggest a
> >7:30 PM gathering somewhere.. That's where I am looking for ideas, as I
> have
> >little to no knowledge of a suitable restaurant or similar where we can
> >gather a presumed group of 20 or more folks.... Last year we hiked up the
> >street to a really not-so-hot place, so thoughts on this are needed!
>
> This will be my first trip to Vegas, so I've got no clue. I wonder
> if they have any decent Mexican restaurants there... ;-)
>
> Sheldon "Tacoholic" Brown
> Newtonville, Massachusetts
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:13:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Garrison Hilliard <garrison@efn.org>
> To: krawls <krawls@visuallink.com>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Stuck stem
>
> h
>
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, krawls wrote:
>
> > My can is 10 years
> > old.
>
> You have wear-dated, replaceable anatomical parts? Cool... but don't you
> have to break in your saddle after every replacement? ;-)
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:11:45 -0400
> To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@mac.com>
> Subject: [CR]Simplex derailleur
>
> Scott typed:
>
> >Just got this from a mate in England. Would love to know its age
> >and model name.
> >many thanks
> >http://www2.sendpix.com/albums/010829/16241400f123c0002d003f7/
>
> Looks like a Tour de France model of 1946-54. "The Dancing
> Chain" states:
>
> Simplex changed derailleur names frequently. Identifying and
> dating Simplex derailleurs vexes today's historians and collectors.
> Simplex sometimes tacked a number onto the name to denote the year of
> first manufacture. Dozens of slightly different rear derailleurs
> were called Champion de Monde (World Champion) or Tour de France."
>
> Roy "Hey, my birthday present came in handy..." Drinkwater
> Lititz "I love the smell of Proofide in the evening...", PA
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 20
> From: RALEIGH531@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:20:12 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re:
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 8/29/01 5:59:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> rchasteen@kc.rr.com writes:
>
>
> > Kroil is good as it gets in my experience.
> >
> >
>
> I've saved more old stuff with Kroil than I can remember.
> Great on bottom bracket cups.
> Kroil and Loctite: Better living thru chemistry!!
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 21
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:40:48 EDT
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Kroil
>
> In a message dated 8/29/01 9:22:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> RALEIGH531@aol.com writes:
>
> << Kroil >>
>
> OK, I give up. What is Kroil? What do they say on the can it is to be used
> for?
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 22
> Reply-To: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>
> From: "Thomas Rawson" <twrawson@worldnet.att.net>
> To: "kevin weitzel" <kevinsbikes@netzero.net>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]RE: Masi vs. Waterford
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:40:50 -0700
>
> Kevin see below:
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "kevin weitzel" <kevinsbikes@netzero.net>
> To: "Diane Feldman" <feldmanbike@home.com>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:40 PM
> Subject: RE: [CR]RE: Masi vs. Waterford
>
>
> > Tom
> > Ooooh! This is such an easy question (s). If I were an auto =
> collector
> > and had a 1946 Plymouth, I would have a great automobile. True? =20
>
> Actually no, my parents had one of those when I was a kid and Im old =
> enough to remember it well. As a functional piece forget it. The 46 =
> Plymouth as a collectible - well there are many cars Id rather have =
> before I went there. And for the record I'd much rather own a jeep made =
> by Chrysler than AMC. I remember a time when the current Maytag =
> repairman commercials made sense. With the exception of things made by =
> Microsoft most things dont break very often these days. So, when =
> function rules most folks would agree modern is better.
>
> However,
> > since the acquisition of Plymouth by Chrysler and then a =
> conglomeration of
> > Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge, Jeep, Eagle, and AMC I would say that there =
> isn't
> > a Plymouth today that has that same mystique or 'history.' I mean,=20
>
> So, are you equating mystique and history with quality, desireability?=20
>
> would you consider my Plymouth Breeze a car that offers 'history' as =
> part of the purchase? No but history is not of interest to me when Im =
> making a rational pragmatic decison about reliability, dependability, =
> etc. O.K. I guess if you count the Prowler you may have an arguement
>
> Dont forget the PT Cruiser. If I had 20 k lying around Id take the bet =
> that the PT is the Mustang - value wise - 20 years out.
>
> > but that is not a car for the averagage man/person. I equal this to
> > Waterford. Changing the name and producing high quality bike frames =
> isn't
> > history. What about Schwinn, if history is important then the lineage =
> of Waterford as has been pointed out in couple other postings is rather =
> interesting, eh?=20
>
> and the Mercedes Are you equating Masi to Mercedes? It would seem =
> Mercedes indeed has history but also has amazing technical/performance =
> inmprovements. Mercedes gets to charge what they charge because they =
> deliver it all Masi is after all just a bike. Most postings so far have =
> stated the new Masi does not equal the old. I cant go there. Dont know. =
> has changed year after year with innovation after
> > innovation, yet they still have true and well established history. =
> They are
> > still sought after as the/a car to have.
> > When collecting or buying for value, history, or a simple =
> investment...
> > Masi comes to mind. I am sorry, as I don't want to offend a Waterford
> > owner, but Waterford AINT no Masi when it comes to this regard. =
> Fineto'
> Actually I came to this question - intended as an "intellectual" one not =
> specifically to get opinions of Masi vs Waterford but it just so happens =
> I was in my LBS and was looking at what I thought was a nice clean Masi. =
> Alongside it on the wall was a Waterford and so a direct comparison of =
> the physical stuff frame to frame was possible. My mind started to play =
> with the differences. Fit and finish on the Masi was good - in fact =
> suspiciously so till I spotted the Ed Litton signature on the left =
> chainstay and knew I was looking at a repaint. My interest immediately =
> fell and I was surprised at that. Asked myself whats up here? Clearly =
> the pure visual appearance stuff wasnt the only thing operating for me. =
> Looking through the paint at what was visible in the lugs and brazing I =
> thought why should one buy a Masi for the same price as this Waterford. =
> There was almost nothing to choose over here. Knowing the Waterford had =
> history of is own and knowing there would be zero worry about metallurgy =
> condition under the paint of the waterford vs the 25 year old Masi was a =
> point. then there was the ease of using modern parts. So I wondered =
> whats up with the price on this Masi? The rest as they say is history? =
> Ha.
> Tom Rawson
> Oakland, CA
>
>
> steeped
> >=20
> > Kevin Weitzel
> >=20
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:51:09 -0700
> From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
> Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Kroil
>
> Dale,
>
> Just like it says, it's for oiling krows.
>
> Brian (OK, I'll shut up now) Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> >
> > In a message dated 8/29/01 9:22:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > RALEIGH531@aol.com writes:
> >
> > << Kroil >>
> >
> > OK, I give up. What is Kroil? What do they say on the can it is to be used
> > for?
> >
> > Dale Brown
> > Greensboro, North Carolina
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 24
> From: RALEIGH531@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:12:40 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]Kroil
> To: OROBOYZ@aol.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 8/29/01 9:42:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, OROBOYZ@aol.com
>
> writes:
>
>
> > OK, I give up. What is Kroil? What do they say on the can it is to be used
>
> > for?
> >
>
> High quality penetrating oil made by Kano Labs.(they make other products
> too.)
> Not sure what's on label.(it's in garage and I'm about 30 secs from bed!)
>
> check out: http://www.kanolabs.com/
> The real trick is it's capilary action, finds its way into joints to free
> them up with out undue violence. Great on rusty car parts and stuck bicycle
> components that you only have one of and really don't want to screw it up!
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:21:49 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Kroil
>
> Aero Kroil... The Oil That Creeps... LOOSENS FROZEN METAL PARTS
> A scientific discovery reduces the surface tension so that this amazing
> solvent creeps into openings as small as one millionth of an inch.
> Wherever there is corrosion -due to heat, salt water, chemical action,
> or weathering Kroil will loosen metal joints in a few minutes' time,
> saving labor, equipment and temper. It dissolves gum, dried grease and
> oil, removes rust and carbon deposits - without attacking the metal -
> and provides proper lubrication. Resists wetting so prevents rust.
>
> KANO Aerokroil
> *Loosens the toughest stuck together metal parts or your money back.
> *No harm to metal or skin...prevents rust.
> *Use Kroil to loosen nuts, bolts, studs, screws, pulleys, shafts,
> bearings, guns, pipe threads, valve guides or any corroded metal
> parts...for lubricating air driven tools...for removing rust, gummed oil
> and grease...for cleaning cement tools.
>
> DIRECTIONS
> Remove protecting dome. Point nozzle at the work and push the valve,
> squirt Kroil as close to the joint as possible; wait a minute before
> turning depending on the size and condition of the parts.
>
> Order Direct From
> KANO LABORATORIES
> (615) 833-4101
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> SoPas, SoCal
>
>
> Brian Baylis wrote:
> >
> > Dale,
> >
> > Just like it says, it's for oiling krows.
> >
> > Brian (OK, I'll shut up now) Baylis
> > La Mesa, CA
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/29/01 9:22:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > RALEIGH531@aol.com writes:
> > >
> > > << Kroil >>
> > >
> > > OK, I give up. What is Kroil? What do they say on the can it is to be
> used
> > > for?
> > >
> > > Dale Brown
> > > Greensboro, North Carolina
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
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