Hi hilary iwant the vito mussette bag send total and address
regards
Maurice Bresnahan
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> 1. For sale: 23" Mondia,23" Schwinn World Voyager, 24" Legnano,
> 21" Sequoia (brian blum)
> 2. For sale: 23" Mondia,23" Schwinn World Voyager, 24" Legnano,
> 21" Sequoia (brian blum)
> 3. Peugeot - is the end in sight ? (Bob Reid)
> 4. Re: Wanted: double ended cables (Sheldon Brown)
> 5. BSA Tour of Britain (Bob Reid)
> 6. WTD. 32 hole Fiamme Red Label. (DMart84815@aol.com)
> 7. Another Flying Scot in the USA (Bob Reid)
> 8. Jack Taylor owners (REClassicBikes@aol.com)
> 9. Masi vs Waterford (garth libre)
> 10. Early 70's Frejus - Warning! Long message. (Richard & Shelvie
> Robinson)
> 11. Re: stuck stem (RALEIGH531@aol.com)
> 12. Re: WTD. 32 hole Fiamme Red Label. (Aldo Ross)
> 13. Re: Masi vs Waterford-Very Insightful , Garth
> (CYCLESTORE@aol.com)
> 14. Re: For Sale items 5/9/01 (Hilary Stone)
> 15. RE: Masi vs Waterford-Very Insightful , Garth (Rich Rose)
> 16. 27" (seatpost) Fuji tourer on eBay (nath)
> 17. RE: Re: [CR]Masi vs Waterford-Very Insightful , Garth
> (stevens)
> 18. e-bay "outing" (SMITH)
> 19. Re: Early 70's Frejus - Warning! Long message.
> (RALEIGH531@aol.com)
> 20. Re: e-bay "outing" (RALEIGH531@aol.com)
> 21. Re: e-bay "outing" (Rick Chasteen)
> 22. Re: 27" (seatpost) Fuji tourer on eBay (Steve Freides)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> : classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:28:30
> Subject: [CR]For sale: 23" Mondia,23" Schwinn World Voyager, 24"
> Legnano, 21" Sequoia
>
> I am cleaning house so I am offering these bikes and more for sale
>
> 25" Italvega Superspeciale Frame $125
>
> 23" Schwinn World Voyager $300
>
> 21" Specialized Sequoia $300
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> 24" Legnano $450
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> 23" Mondia Super $450
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> 22" Mondia Special $500
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:29:25
> Subject: [CR]For sale: 23" Mondia,23" Schwinn World Voyager, 24"
> Legnano, 21" Sequoia
>
> I am cleaning house so I am offering these bikes and more for sale
>
> 25" Italvega Superspeciale Frame $125
>
> 23" Schwinn World Voyager $300
>
> 21" Specialized Sequoia $300
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> 24" Legnano $450
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> 23" Mondia Super $450
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> 22" Mondia Special $500
> http://albums.photopoint.com/
>
> Brian in Berkeley, CA
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:39:31 +0100
> From: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Peugeot - is the end in sight ?
>
> As I'm sure others are, I was sorely disappointed to receive a "Dear
> Peugeot
> dealer" letter this morning announcing that Cycleurope were
> stopping
> distribution & sales of Peugeot cycles in the UK from December. The
> Bianchi
> division is being kept on to front their presence over here in the
> high-end
> road bike market. It wasn't unexpected though as most models have
> either
> been on delay or just not available for the best part of six months.
> On the
> back of an announcement of the loss of 50% of the 100 jobs at the
> Bianchi
> factory a few weeks back, this doesn't exactly paint a pretty
> picture of
> Peugeots future in Europe as a whole does it ? Particularly as they
> are
> warning now that the direction the company is taking with the name
> 'Peugeot'
> has to be reviewed by 2004.
>
> Bob Reid
> Stonehaven
> Scotland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:38:27 -0400
> To: OROBOYZ@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Wanted: double ended cables
>
> Dale Brown wrote:
> >Anyone have available or know the whereabouts of what I have heard
> called
> >"Phillips style" brake cables? These incorporate the housing
> between the cast
> >ends as used on various roadsters and misc. 1950s-60s bikes?
>
> No, that's "Raleigh type" Phillips type uses a conventional anchor
> bolt.
>
> We've got a few Genuine Raleigh ones in stock. They come in three
> lengths: Front, Gent's, Lady's; 3 colors, sorry colours:
> Silver/gray,
> white, black.
>
> We don't have all of the permutations.
>
> We also have bolt-on cable ends that let you use conventional
> cables,
> $3.95 each.
>
> http://sheldonbrown.com/
>
> Sheldon "Anglophile" Brown
> Newtonville, Massachsuetts
> +--------------------------------------------------+
> | My son George has written a Trombone Concerto |
> | You can hear it at http://sheldonbrown.com/
> +--------------------------------------------------+
> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> Phone 617-244-9772, 617-244-1040, FAX 617-244-1041
> http://harriscyclery.com
> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> http://captainbike.com
> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> http://sheldonbrown.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:41:45 +0100
> From: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]BSA Tour of Britain
>
> Anyone on the list have pictures, a catalogue or equipment spec. for
> an
> early 50's (probably 52) B.S.A. 'Tour of Britain Sports' ? - I lost
> out on
> an E-bay or Yahoo auction on a BSA catalogue from this time a while
> back,
> but did a list member get it ?
>
> I've got the frame, all I need now is a list of all the correct
> bit's !
>
> Any help much appreciated.....
>
> Bob Reid
> Stonehaven
> Scotland.
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: DMart84815@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:20:14 EDT
> To: ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]WTD. 32 hole Fiamme Red Label.
>
> Hello All.
>
> I need one Fiamme
> Red Label
> 32 hole rim.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Martinez
>
>
>
> Fremont Ca
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:09:08 +0100
> From: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>
> To: <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Another Flying Scot in the USA
>
> I know this is a long shot, but can anyone on the list place a name,
> or
> remember or help me trace this former "original" owner of a Flying
> Scot ?
>
> > I am the third owner. The bike was custom built to order
> > for a gentleman who lived in Northern California
> > (Oakland, California as I recall) and it was frequently
> > raced. For some reason I remember that the original owner
> > was a Disc Jockey (ie a radio personality)in the area,
> > and could "afford the best" according to the second owner
> > who sold it to me.
>
> best regards,
>
> Bob Reid
> Stonehaven
> Scotland.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: REClassicBikes@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 04:28:10 EDT
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Jack Taylor owners
>
> To all of you who own Jack Taylors and use saddle or handle bar
> bags. I have
> some rather nice 1960s/ 70s "Jack Taylor Cycles" bag labels. They
> are 1 3/4"
> long, blue on white. They Rivet on with two tiny split pin rivets,
> very easy
> to fit. They can be had $7 including post and rivets. Please note,
> these are
> for Jack Taylor owners only. Please contact me off list.
> Regards
> Martin Coopland
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: "garth libre" <rabbitman@mindspring.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 04:57:35 -0400
> Subject: [CR]Masi vs Waterford
>
> For fear of stating the obvious, much of the value of a classic bike
> =
> (new or vintage) is in the eye (or soul) of the bike aficionado. A
> Bike =
> must trigger in you some kind of musical resonance. A particular
> kind of =
> lug must resonate with you, must unleash beautiful memories, must
> wrap =
> around your soul and make you a wide eyed youth again. The bike that
> =
> attracts you says a lot about your bikeducation and knowledge of =
> bichystory. You can't fault a young man for loving an up to the
> minute =
> aluminum road model because his exposure may only allow him to make
> =
> distinctions based on what he has seen. A Cannondale with super
> smooth =
> welds makes a rippled welded bike look crude. A cotterless crank
> makes a =
> bike with a cottered version look like the recipient of hammered =
> aggression ( I know this one will raise flames from lovers of
> pounded =
> history).
>
> Then there is the element of sweat equity. A bike that you have
> sweat =
> away your life on, will always have a special place in your life.
> Here =
> the spirit of the rider imbues the steel with a soul if didn't have
> =
> before. For this reason, I will always have a warm affection for
> Sturmey =
> Archer three speed transmissions.
>
> There is the special history that a particular bike has with you.
> Where =
> and who were you in space and time when you first saw a Paramount?
> =
> Owning a Paramount may bring you closer to being that man (or woman)
> =
> again.
>
> Masi or Waterford? I'd have to go Masi, which for me has history,
> beauty =
> and mystique. Waterford is crystal, isn't it?
>
> By the way, I believe that Sheldon Brown has earned the right to own
> a =
> Raleigh mountain bike. Ugly as they may be, they are fun, if you
> don't =
> mind becoming a paraplegic when you slam into a tree or fall off a
> =
> twenty foot hill. I sometimes fell three times an hour, before I
> sold =
> mine. These things maybe real collectors items one day, as the
> majority =
> them self distruct from impact and become bike store dumpster =
> decorations in a few years.
>
> Garth, still not as fast as the fastest peloton monsters around
> here, =
> but not giving up on my 531c Raleigh, Libre.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: "Richard & Shelvie Robinson" <robin25@konnect.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:54:18 +0900
> Subject: [CR]Early 70's Frejus - Warning! Long message.
>
> Hello all,=20
>
> I have a question for all of you vintage Italian experts out there.
> I =
> just received my latest project, an early 70's Frejus. This frame is
> =
> identical to the frame on the D'Oro web site, silver/champagne with
> red =
> accents. The paint is in o.k. shape but the red accents and
> transfers on =
> the seat tube are shot. It also is has the reminiscences of a
> Reynolds =
> 531 straight gauge tubing transfer on the top tube near the head
> lug. =
> The frame is constructed identical (seat cluster, fork crown, brake
> and =
> chain stay bridges) as the Legnano being offered by Brian Blum on
> this =
> page. The frame has the following braze-ons: rear derailleur cable
> stop =
> on chain stay, two rear brake cable stops on top tube, Campagnolo BB
> =
> cable routes for front and rear derailleurs. Both the brake and
> chain =
> stay bridge are lugged (?). The rear brake bridge having nice
> cutouts =
> filled with red accents. Both the front and rear drop-outs are =
> Campagnolo w/eyelets. The only chrome on the bike is the fork crown;
> =
> still in great shape. S/N on the BB is 1780 and an 'R'. The frame
> came =
> with its original NR (pat. 71) and Record derailleurs, Strada no
> date =
> cranks, Record BB and headset, Record pedals with strap loop and old
> =
> logo Christophe Special clips, Universal 61 brakes, TTT Record stem
> and =
> bars.
>
> My question to the list is, what model is this Frejus? I thought it
> =
> might be a Tour de France, but lacks the TdF transfers. Because it
> has =
> no chrome on the head lugs and stays/fork tips I don't believe it's
> a =
> top end model, or is it? Is it worth while? The parts alone are
> worth =
> more than I paid for it. All but the top model of Frejus I've seen
> uses =
> Flack tubing not Reynolds 531. Does anyone know whose photo that is
> of =
> the Frejus on the D'Oro web site? Finally, I would like to place a
> set =
> of Universal Super 68's on the bike vrs. the original 61's. Would
> this =
> be appropriate? Also what about an Everest Oro freewheel? Or would
> this =
> be better left on the shelf?=20
>
> Thanks for your time as I know this was a long post. If you have any
> =
> insight as to the model or any other information about early Frejus
> =
> bikes please post it to this site or email me directly.
>
> By the way I already have the Frejus catalog from Chuck. A little
> too =
> late in the 70's I think.=20
>
> Regards, Rich=20
> Okinawa, hot and humid as he!!, Japan=20
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: RALEIGH531@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:14:43 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]stuck stem
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> I remember reading on the wreck.tech newsgroup a claim that auto
> antifreeze
> worked. Supposedly worked its way through the aluminum oxide.
> Has anybody tried this?
> I haven't had much occasion to resort to anything more than Kroil.
> Lucky for me I guess.
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net>
> To: <DMart84815@aol.com>, <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]WTD. 32 hole Fiamme Red Label.
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:29:10 -0400
>
> Try ebay item #185060081
>
> Aldo Ross
> Monroe, Ohio
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DMart84815@aol.com>
> To: <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:20 AM
> Subject: [CR]WTD. 32 hole Fiamme Red Label.
>
>
> > Hello All.
> > I need one Fiamme
> Red
> Label
> > 32 hole rim.
> > Thanks,
> > Dave Martinez
> >
> > Fremont Ca
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: CYCLESTORE@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:35:31 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi vs Waterford-Very Insightful , Garth
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: rabbitman@mindspring.com
>
> Not to go to deep into a passionate subject,
>
> I host one of the world's most disorganized (is there any other
> kind) used
> bike shops in our burg of Raleigh NC. While we sell a few new bikes
> the bulk
> of our store is used and we like it that way.
>
> It is interesting to (try to) read our customers on their desires.
> So many
> (not enough) have romantic visions of the bikes they lusted after in
> their
> youth. Pressed noses again shop windows filled their heads with
> dreams of
> Tour De France conquest of flying down the road in absolute freedom
> that
> seems impossible on their department store flyer. So many come by
> looking to
> view or buy the bike of their younger years and the dream bike they
> one day
> hoped to own but could not hope to afford at the time.
>
> I believe that this is why so many list members covet bikes like the
>
> Paramount, Raleigh Pro and the fine old International (among others)
> as these
> were in the best shop windows, among few other high caliper
> compatriots and
> therefore became the sought after bikes decades later as they hold a
>
> mystique. The other class of cycle luster may be the person who
> owned and
> old bike, had many good times with it (even a lowly Schwinn
> Varsity), sold it
> and regretted the decision to part with it later.
>
> Just a few observations.
> In reality, The Waterford and the Masi both have fine heritage's,
> and if we
> reach to the Paramount days many victories internationally (Sheila
> Young and
> Sue Novara didn't do bad on Paramounts). The much lauded Hetchins
> has been
> built by many people it seems and still retains much collectible
> value. Masi
> built by whoever (even Mario) and on both sided of the Atlantic over
> the
> years will always have a certain measure of desirability.
>
> Some on the list may feel that the Waterford is technically better
> built bike
> than the Masi, American precision perhaps. Others perhaps not. They
> are most
> certainly fine riding bikes if matched to an individuals needs. I
> have not
> compared recent examples side by side but upon close inspection the
> Waterford
> frame is very fine indeed.
>
> I will make a profound statement next. The reason the Waterford is
> less
> desirable than the Masi to our humble group has nothing to do with
> ride,
> quality of build, alignment or reputation. The lack of any chrome
> plating,
> pantographing, fancier paint and most important; decals that please
> the eye
> hold this machine back. A sporty headbadge would not hurt either. I
> feel
> that a Waterford with old time Guercoitti(sic) or Masi style
> transfers would
> be easier to sell today and much more desirable later.
>
> Nail on the head or head on the nail, you decide.
>
> Respectfully Submitted,
>
> Gilbert Anderson
>
>
> In a message dated 9/5/01 8:59:41 AM, rabbitman@mindspring.com
> writes:
>
> << For fear of stating the obvious, much of the value of a classic
> bike (new
> or vintage) is in the eye (or soul) of the bike aficionado. A Bike
> must
> trigger in you some kind of musical resonance. A particular kind of
> lug must
> resonate with you, must unleash beautiful memories, must wrap around
> your
> soul and make you a wide eyed youth again. The bike that attracts
> you says a
> lot about your bikeducation and knowledge of bichystory. You can't
> fault a
> young man for loving an up to the minute aluminum road model because
> his
> exposure may only allow him to make distinctions based on what he
> has seen. A
> Cannondale with super smooth welds makes a rippled welded bike look
> crude. A
> cotterless crank makes a bike with a cottered version look like the
> recipient
> of hammered aggression ( I know this one will raise flames from
> lovers of
> pounded history).
>
>
> Then there is the element of sweat equity. A bike that you have
> sweat away
> your life on, will always have a special place in your life. Here
> the spirit
> of the rider imbues the steel with a soul if didn't have before. For
> this
> reason, I will always have a warm affection for Sturmey Archer three
> speed
> transmissions.
>
>
> There is the special history that a particular bike has with you.
> Where and
> who were you in space and time when you first saw a Paramount?
> Owning a
> Paramount may bring you closer to being that man (or woman) again.
>
>
> Masi or Waterford? I'd have to go Masi, which for me has history,
> beauty and
> mystique. Waterford is crystal, isn't it?
>
>
> By the way, I believe that Sheldon Brown has earned the right to own
> a
> Raleigh mountain bike. Ugly as they may be, they are fun, if you
> don't mind
> becoming a paraplegic when you slam into a tree or fall off a twenty
> foot
> hill. I sometimes fell three times an hour, before I sold mine.
> These things
> maybe real collectors items one day, as the majority of them self
> distruct
> from impact and become bike store dumpster decorations in a few
> years.
>
>
> Garth, still not as fast as the fastest peloton monsters around
> here, but not
> giving up on my 531c Raleigh, Libre. >>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:12:10 +0100
> Subject: Re: [CR] For Sale items 5/9/01
> From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@tesco.net>
> To: <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>
>
> I thought it would be good to share some more of my recent finds
> with the
> list. All items are priced in $. Postage will be extra charged at
> cost.
> Enquire for actual cost if you like before deciding. Photograhs can
> be
> emailed if required. Also look out for a whole lot of new items
> posted on
> Ebay - look under my seller's name hilary.stone@tesco.net
> Payment can be made in cash with dollars or by money order in Pounds
> sterling ($1.40 to 1 pound sterling). American Express Travellers
> cheques
> are also fine.
> Regards
> Hilary Stone
>
> CREAM CELLULOID/PLASTIC ? MUDGUARD set NOS for 26in or 27in wheels.
> Lovely
> slight translucent colour. Unbranded but nice fairly narrow (1 5/8in
> wide)
> ribbed shape similar to Bluemels lightweight. Complete with seatstay
> bridge=
> ,
> front mudflap and a set of Bluemels stays $45
>
> STURMEY ARCHER 4-spEED TRIGGER NOS perfect in original wrapper. This
> is the
> style with the red lettering that first appeared in the late 50s I
> think.
> Perfectly compatible with all Sturmey Archer 4-speed hubs $35
>
> COLORAL BOTTLE CORK with silver aluminium top and two straw holes
> NOS $15
>
> BAILEYS IMPEX BLACK PUMP c1950s 16 inch made by the Apex Inflator
> Company i=
> n
> Britain and of a type commonly fitted to better quality British
> bicycles of
> all descriptions. The Apex Inflator Company was the main rival to
> Bluemels.
> The pump is still in excellent working order and comes complete with
> a
> connector for Presta and Woods tyre valves. $30
>
> DUNLOP WHITE INFLATOR 16inch with push-on style connector that
> screws onto
> valve and a standard connector. Rare 1950s style. Good working order
> $30
>
> AIRLITE SMALL FLANGE DOUBLE FIXED HUB NOS 40H complete with both
> lockrings
> virtually perfect $60
>
> BAYLISS WILEY SMALL FLANGE FRONT HUB NOS 32H in same style as
> Airlite with
> aluminium flanges and steel centre. Perfect $45
>
> Cycling: Land=B9s End to John o=B9Groats by Alan Ray 1971 155pp
> The fascinating story of record breaking attempts at this classic
> distance
> from 1880 through to the 1960s. Excellent condition complete with
> perfect
> dust jacket. A rare book. $30
>
> ZEUS SADDLE with brown suede top NOS perfect $40
>
> MAFAC RACER DURAL FORGE centre-pull callipers. Excellent condition.
> Complet=
> e
> with correct Mafac brake shoes but pads are worn. Supplied with new
> straddl=
> e
> wires. $65
>
> TA BOTTOM BRACKET SET English threads with 344 single axle Excellent
> very
> lightly used condition $35
>
> The Penguin Book of the Bicycle by Rod Watson and Martin Gray 1978
> 333pp
> This very underrated book covers cycle history, the contemporary
> scene at
> the end of the 70s (mostly in Britain) and has a superb chapter on
> the
> contemporary cycle British cycle industry. This includes interviews
> with
> Dave Moulton (before he went to the US), Reynolds, Raleigh =AD this
> is a long
> section covering company history, contemporary production and
> details of th=
> e
> Ti-Raleigh team and their bikes etc. Very good condition, slightly
> creased
> rear cover $18
>
> SIMPLEX TOUR DE FRANCE 5-speed 3/32in rear derailleur with plastic
> pulleys
> NOS and BOXED complete with lever. This is one of the last Simplex
> Tour de
> France rear mechs and is great for a late 50s bike. They offer a
> better gea=
> r
> change than the Campag Gran Spoert with no overshifting necessary at
> the
> lever $105
>
> VITO RED COTTON MUSETTE (with bottle symbols etc) NOS unused lovely
> 50s/60=
> s
> period piece $20
>
> BIKE RIDERS AIDS 1976 A couple of very marks on the cover but
> otherwise
> perfectly clean inside. Lists all the Campagnolo, Simplex, Huret,
> Universal
> and GB equipment and much else, most with delightful line
> drawings.
> Holdsworthy were the British Campy importers but also brought in
> much else
> besides. Also includes the Holdsworth, Claud Butler and Freddie
> Grubb
> frames. A huge quantity of information within its 84 pages. $25
>
> Campagnolo stainless steel outers for handlebar end controls; the
> perfect
> piece for finishing off the cabling. $20
>
> European Cycling by Noel Henderson 152pp 1989 This lists and has
> accounts o=
> f
> the 20 greatest European pro cycling events. It is a great bible and
> just
> what you need when you want to check on who won the Tour in 1954.
> Paperback, excellent condition $20
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> Subject: RE: [CR]Masi vs Waterford-Very Insightful , Garth
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:11:01 -0400
> From: "Rich Rose" <rrose@normandassociates.com>
> To: <CYCLESTORE@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Cc: <rabbitman@mindspring.com>
>
>
> Gilbert Anderson wrote, in part...
>
> >The reason the Waterford is less=20
> desirable than the Masi to our humble group has nothing to do with
> ride,
>
> quality of build, alignment or reputation.
>
> Aren't these the qualities that we should hold in highest
> regard?=20
>
> > The lack of any chrome plating,
>
> You can get the stainless steel head lug option.
> =20
> >pantographing, fancier paint and most important; decals that please
> the
> eye=20
> hold this machine back.
>
> True perhaps, but with the optional panel treatment the paint can be
> quite handsome. Decals, Hmmm.., "most important"??!! Really?=20
>
> > A sporty headbadge would not hurt either.
>
> Well, who wouldn't like a headbadge but I find the Waterford
> headtube
> "Crest"(?), to be very tasteful.
>
> > I feel=20
> that a Waterford with old time Guercoitti(sic) or Masi style
> transfers
> would=20
> be easier to sell today and much more desirable later.
>
> Again, this may be true. But, how sad. Is beauty only skin deep?
> The
> fact remains that one can pick up the phone & talk to Richard
> Schwinn
> about "your" frame. Could one ever do that with a Masi?
> If Gilbert is right about the above things "holding this machine
> back".., well, maybe we deserve a world full of Giant TCR's &
> S-bend
> seat & chainstay's. Not that those are bad things...
>
> Richard ("the details are not the details, they are the product."
> (Charles Eames"), Rose
> Toledo, Ohio
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> From: "nath" <ferness261@voyager.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:42:50 -0500
> Subject: [CR]27" (seatpost) Fuji tourer on eBay
>
> Hey, folks.
>
> During my morning browsings I found this eBay listing for a Fuji Del
> Rey, c.
> 1985, with a 27" lugged steel frame. I thought I'd post it here
> since I
> remember folks looking ocassionally for larger frames, and this one
> sure
> looks like a 27" frame. Here's the url:
>
> http://ebay.com/
>
> Nath "no relation, just passing on information" Dresser
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> To: CYCLESTORE@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: rabbitman@mindspring.com
> From: "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com>
> Subject: RE: Re: [CR]Masi vs Waterford-Very Insightful , Garth
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:00:54 -0700
>
>
>
>
> Ever see a Waterford W-13?
>
> Waterfords are beautiful and desireable because of the elegance
> of their simplicity.
>
> Chrome is bad ... it destroys frames, and gets ugly real fast.
> If you want that look, use stainless steel lugs.
>
> The Waterford decals, like the Paramount decals of old are also
> elegant and simple.
>
> But I'll agree that Waterford needs a nice headbadge ...
>
>
> >--- Original Message ---
> >From: CYCLESTORE@aol.com
> >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Date: 9/5/01 2:35:31 AM
> >
> >I will make a profound statement next. The reason the Waterford
> is less
> >desirable than the Masi to our humble group has nothing to do
> with ride,
> >quality of build, alignment or reputation. The lack of any
> chrome plating,
> >pantographing, fancier paint and most important; decals that
> please the eye
> >hold this machine back. A sporty headbadge would not hurt either.
> I feel
> >that a Waterford with old time Guercoitti(sic) or Masi style
> transfers would
> >be easier to sell today and much more desirable later.
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> From: SMITH <AHSMITH@nims.guhsd.k12.az.us>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:07:46 GMT
> Subject: [CR]e-bay "outing"
>
> After I posted the message on the older cyclo derailleur on e-bay I
> received the following message from a K. Denny.
>
> Please don't "out" this stuff to the world. there are many of us
> who
> > search long and hard to find such items, only to have the
> process
> > shortcutted by this kind of act.
>
> Did I err in bringing an item like this to the group's attention? I
> thought, having watched what others had contributed, that what I did
> was ok. Is there some unwritten list of collectible bike parts that
> can't be shared with the group if they should show up on e-bay
> because of their interest to specific individuals?
>
> Art Smith
> Where's the love?
> Phoenix `
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 19
> From: RALEIGH531@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:08:55 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]Early 70's Frejus - Warning! Long message.
> To: robin25@konnect.net
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> I'm no expert but a bike similar to this appeared in "The Complete
> Buyer's
> Guide to Bicycles"(1973)
>
> Frejus/Legnano Professional Record Supercorsa:
> Reynolds 531 doublebutted, Universal centerpulls, Fiamme rims,
> Campagnolo
> hubs,
> crank, derailleurs. Says two tone red, white, blue, green, black.
> $375.
> Sorry the info is sketchy, no picture.
> Mentions that the brands were recently merged(under Bianchi
> ownership?)
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 20
> From: RALEIGH531@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:22:55 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]e-bay "outing"
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 9/5/01 1:08:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> AHSMITH@nims.guhsd.k12.az.us writes:
>
>
> > Did I err in bringing an item like this to the group's attention?
> I thought,
> > having watched what others had contributed, that what I did was
> ok. Is
> > there some unwritten list of collectible bike parts that can't be
> shared
> > with the group if they should show up on e-bay because of their
> interest to
> > specific individuals?
> >
> >
> You did nothing wrong. Besides, you recieved that from a non-member
> (last I
> knew),
> so shouldn't really influence list dealings.
> Yes, somethings are scarce but everyone on this list has equal
> opportunity to
> check ebay though it's not hard to miss things if you weren't
> looking for
> that item in particular. If someone needs a Cyclo derailleur and
> it's on ebay
> they no doubt know already.( ex; I have a long list of brand names
> on my
> "favorites list" so I know when anything I'm interested in shows
> up-just a
> click away).
> I think most of us like to look at unusual items just for the sake
> of seeing
> what it looks like.
>
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 21
> From: "Rick Chasteen" <rchasteen@kc.rr.com>
> To: "SMITH" <AHSMITH@nims.guhsd.k12.az.us>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]e-bay "outing"
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:33:40 -0500
>
> Art:
>
> I agree with Ken on this one. When you "out" something listed on
> eBay, the
> price goes up.
>
> Rick (SHHHHHHHHH) Chasteen, Kansas City
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: SMITH <AHSMITH@nims.guhsd.k12.az.us>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:07 AM
> Subject: [CR]e-bay "outing"
>
>
> > After I posted the message on the older cyclo derailleur on e-bay
> I
> received the following message from a K. Denny.
> >
> > Please don't "out" this stuff to the world. there are many of us
> who
> > > search long and hard to find such items, only to have the
> process
> > > shortcutted by this kind of act.
> >
> > Did I err in bringing an item like this to the group's attention?
> I
> thought, having watched what others had contributed, that what I did
> was ok.
> Is there some unwritten list of collectible bike parts that can't be
> shared
> with the group if they should show up on e-bay because of their
> interest to
> specific individuals?
> >
> > Art Smith
> > Where's the love?
> > Phoenix `
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:06:08 -0400
> From: Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com>
> Organization: Friday's Computer
> To: nath <ferness261@voyager.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]27" (seatpost) Fuji tourer on eBay
>
> From the pictures on ebay, I think I'd have trouble getting the top
> tube
> to fit under my armpit, let alone my behind. I've never seen such
> a
> large frame!
>
> -S-
>
> nath wrote:
> >
> > Hey, folks.
> >
> > During my morning browsings I found this eBay listing for a Fuji
> Del Rey, c.
> > 1985, with a 27" lugged steel frame. I thought I'd post it here
> since I
> > remember folks looking ocassionally for larger frames, and this
> one sure
> > looks like a 27" frame. Here's the url:
> >
> > http://ebay.com/
> >
> > Nath "no relation, just passing on information" Dresser
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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