Re: [CR]Identifying masi frames, Californian or otherwise


Example: Racing:Jean Robic
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:18:37 -0700
From: "Brian Baylis" <rocklube@adnc.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Identifying masi frames, Californian or otherwise
References: <c4.1b0ab065.28dd1ab7@aol.com>


Martin,

The differences between a stay cap done at Masi in Carlsbad and one done by Eisentraut are so subtle it would be very difficult to explain how to tell the difference unless you had done several hundred of them as I did at Masi. I used to try to tell the differences between the two by the seat stay cap method, but was never quite sure if I could tell 100% of the time which was which. I felt this bike was an Eisentraut built frame, but couldn't be totally sure until I discovered the notch in the head tube. Now I'm positive I can tell the difference. The seat stay method won't work for anyone but me most likely; I just made it easy for anyone who is curious to determine for themselves which builder is responsible for their frame.

Again, for those who are curious, I hope that helps.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA
>
> In a message dated 9/21/01 08:08:53 GMT Daylight Time,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
>
> << Lastly, and only visible when
> the paint is removed, but the seat stays are brazed to the seat lug with
> silver-braze as opposed to brass. There are a few subtle things that are
> pointless to describe (like the shape of the seat stay caps) that also
> help identify an Eisentraut built frame. >>
>
> Just a though, would it not be easier to tell us how to identify a certain
> frame by the shape of its top eyes, rather than striping its paint to look at
> the colour of the brazing material, or is that too obvious?
>
> Regards
> Martin Coopland