I need to apologize to the seller of the Condor bicycle because I think I have inadvertently created doubt about the authenticity of the Condor offered for sale. I don't have any information indicating that the bike is anything other than a genuine English made Condor. My point in writing is that the pictures were not detailed enough for complete confidence in identification. I may have been subconsciously influenced by the "fake Hetchins" thread but what really caused me to write was a fuzzy recollection of some recent discussion on other "Condor" brand bicycles; one a product of Switzerland and another from some other country. I wanted to solicit clarification from the list to establish just what nationality "Condor" we had sighted. After the postings, the Condor for sale is the gen-u-wine desireable English marque. I apologize for any confusion and will be more careful of my words in the future.
Thomas Adams
Thawing out in Kansas City -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hayes <hayesbikes@mail.nls.net> To: KCTOMMY <KCTOMMY@email.msn.com> Date: Monday, January 01, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Condor Sighting
>Tom,
>
>I'm forwarding this message to you. When originally created it was for the
>CR list, but then I thought it was too much of a promo. Whatever the case,
>I did want to respond, especially to raising the issue of whether it was
>real or not.
>
>Thanks. And Happy New Year. Taking a ride in ten degrees makes you far
>more hearty than myself.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Tom
>>Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 06:47:13 -0500
>>To: "nelson miller" <nelsmiller@msn.com>
>>From: Tom Hayes <hayesbikes@mail.nls.net>
>>Subject: Re: [CR]Condor Sighting
>>Cc:
>>Bcc:
>>X-Attachments:
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>>Nelson,
>>
>>I wrote a letter to the CR list last night, responding to some of the
>>issues and questions raised about the Condor on ebay. That email had as a
>>subject line "Condor Sighting in the garage." Sometimes email don't come
>>through for me to the list, other times they do, but often when they
>>don't, they are just delayed, and rather than send another one out the
>>list, and have it repeated, I'll send it to you. I can't find KCTOMMY's
>>email address. If I could I would have included him in the sending.
>>
>>The serial number, or the number stamped in the bottom bracket lug, is
>>1103. It does not have what I would consider "fancy" lugs, though that's
>>a question of what "consider" means, I suspect. The lugs have long
>>points, no fancy cutouts, and appear as what I would consider as "simple."
>>The lug work itself, the brazing, however, is very good, clean lines. The
>>dropouts are campy, the rear sort of semi-horizontal, and short, and no
>>eyelets.
>>
>>Whether it's a "real" one or not, I'm not sure, without raising the topic
>>of "fake Hetchins," how one determines that. The issue of "real" never
>>occurred to me since I have owned it; only came up when KCTOMMY raised it,
>>and I don't know what would lead him to raise the issue that it might not
>>be "real," except perhaps the recent discussion of real Hetchins on the CR
>>list. What in the description or picture would suggest to him that it is
>>a "fake" if that is the alternative to not being "real."
>>
>>If you have any questions, or are interested in the bike, please let me
>>know. I think considering what it is, the bike on Ebay is reasonably
>>priced.
>>
>>If you do have KCTOMMY's email address, I would like for you to forward
>>this to him, or send it to me and I will forward this to him.
>>
>>Happy New Year.
>>
>>Cheers.
>>
>>Tom
>>>The Condor in question has the same headbadge and downtube decal as mine,
>>>which I think is probably a later model with the fancy lugs-- The one on
>>>ebay has some interesting features-- dropouts, and seatstay/seat bolt
>>>combination-- looks like the real thing to me-one could get the serial #
>>>and call Condor @ 011 441 71 269 6820-- They are very accommodating.
>>>Happy New Year, folks--- Nelson Miller
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: KCTOMMY
>>>Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 4:54 AM
>>>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>>Subject: [CR]Condor Sighting
>>>
>>>
>>>Anglophiles, here's a Condor on ebay
>>>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>>Represented to have all 531 frame, built with midlevel Shimano and Campy
>>>bits.
>>>
>>>The pictures aren't good enough for 100% confidence that it's the English
>>>maker "Condor", but the lugwork looks high quality. To bad it's a
smidgen
>>>too small for me. (Or rather good thing(!) it's too small.)
>>>
>>>Tom Adams in chilly KC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>Tom Hayes
>18585 Munn Road
>Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023
>hayesbikes@nls.net
>hayes@jcu.edu