Re: [CR]Masi Gran Criterium ?

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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:45:59 -0400
To: rocklube@adnc.com, Keith Kessel <kbkmd@hotmail.com>
From: <db@home-work.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Gran Criterium ?
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


Brian, Keith et al, Also - The seller says the second set of numbers is SMC63. If I understand the numbering system correctly, wouldn't that indicate a 63cm size frame? Dan - no Masi expert, but a Masi fan - Borden

At 6:08 PM -0700 10/19/01, Brian Baylis wrote:
>Keith,
>
>The ser.# of that frame as listed is not correct. First, the "A", "B",
>"C", "D" indicate the four quarters of the year. The next two numbers
>should be the year. Either there is a 7 before the eight which would
>make the frame B7810 or there is another number after the "0" which
>would make it B810?. Regardless, the first two numbers are the year. The
>last two numbers will be the actual number of the frame built during
>that quarter indicated by the letter. So it becomes important what
>numbers are actually present. Jim Allen would know for sure if that
>number is a variation of the system I have explained, since he did them.
>If the frame id B7810 then the frame was probably built by Ted
>Kirkbride. If it is B810? then yes it could be a Dave AND Brenda Moulton
>built frame. Brenda and Dave worked together so there is no such thing
>as a Brenda built frame. Without a close look at the details of this
>frame I would guess this is B7810. Someone needs to ask.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Brian Baylis
>La Mesa, CA
>>
>> any comments about the serial # on this bike. It appears to be a 1981 San
>> Marcos Masi during the days of Dave Moulton. According to the info on the CR
>> website it might have been built by Moulton's wife! I emailed the owner who
>> said he bought it second hand from the orig. owner.
>> Keith Kessel
>>
>> >From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
>> >Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com
>> >To: Mark Poore <rauler47@hotmail.com>
>> >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> >Subject: Re: [CR]Masi Gran Criterium ?
>> >Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:53:27 -0700
>> >
>> >Mark,
>> >
>> >Richie is correct, it's just a name. Couldn't tell you how or why they
>> >came up with that one for that bike, but it has always been a misnomer
>> >and has probably been the source of much "confusion" of frame geometry.
>> >In my opinion it could easily have gone the way of Medici, when they
>> >introduced the "Gran Tourisimo" to their line back in the mid 70's.
>> >Maybe all the good names were taken ;-).
>> >
>> >Brian Baylis
>> >I've got a couple of Masi "Gran Illusions" myself. The "Special" is more
>> >approiately named.
>> > >
>> > > I have a question for those Masi aficionados. This Masi on ebay is a
>> >Gran
>> > > Criterium. If my memory serves me correctly, and it hasn't done well in
>> > > recent years, the Gran Criterium had Criterium geometry and this one
>> >appears
>> > > to have more of a European road geometry. Would love to understand the
>> >Masi
>> > > geometry differences.
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>utorial=0&ed=1003717902&indexURL=0&rd=1
>> > >
>> > > Mark, in sunny, cool and some patches of snow left WV, Poore