I'll reply to the list as someone else might be interested too.
Brian Baylis asks:
> I've heard mention of the framebuilders list here before [...]
Go to http://www.phred.org/
> I guess I'm actually
> afraid to look there for fear of what I might see. Got courage now;
> anyone willing to indulge me, please? I hope there isn't any secret
> passwords or handshakes; [...]
Secret handshakes - hah! That's another thing the troll who referred to my "Big Ti head" was raving about - in all seriousness!
But, come to think of it, maybe we SHOULD have one! But it'd be, like, this totally VIRTUAL handshake, since us framebuilders are such aloof superior creatures, we never actually shake hands, or seldom even deign to recognize the existence of anyone else really. Sort of a barely perceptible (to anyone but us) head nod.
I'll work on it.
Mark Bulgier
Seattle, Wa
USA