I'm a fairly recent arrival/lurker as it was only a couple of weeks ago that Richard Sachs turned me on to this list. I have to agree with Brian that while the overwhelming majority of the list members disagree with Freddy, the real point that sticks with me is that his opinion was respected, discussed calmly, and resolved to the list's satisfaction all the while expressing Freddy's continued welcome. As a longtime participant on other newsgroups and forums, I can say that's pretty rare. Congratulations all around. I'll return to my sponge mode now.
Cheers!
Don Ferris
Denver, "60's, Sunny & Calm at 9:30am" Colorado
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> From: "Freddy Benjamin" <freddybenjamin@hotmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:36:37 +0000
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Stop the CR list "traders"
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> As a self-confessed lurker who is still at the stage of soaking up
> information before being anywhere near able to dispense it, I have held back
> from saying something about the increasingly commercial nature of the list.
>
> More and more it seems that traders and the like are simply using what is
> supposed to a source of information about old bikes as a marketing tool. It
> has been obvious for some time that there are people on the list who see it
> as a means of promoting themselves and their businesses but the situation is
> getting worse.
>
> People who used to have a clear out are now passing on their latest "finds"
> and others are more blatant. Naming no names but I know of one such who is
> actively scouring Ireland and other parts of Europe looking for bikes and
> components that are then offered to the list. Where do you think all this
> stuff comes from? I don't think it is the object of the list to provide a
> livelihood for these people. If they want to buy and sell like this, they
> should use Ebay or the classified adverts in a magazine. Or better still,
> they can set up a website and advertise their goods there-it isnt hard to
> do.
>
> I know that there are many people who are only too willing to buy and I may
> be in a minority but if we must have traders using the list like this, why
> can't their adverts be limited to one day a month. We could make it the same
> day and everyone would then know to expect it.
>
> This would not affect those people who genuinely have some stuff in their
> collection that they would occasionally like to get rid of but, by hitting
> their "cash flow", it might help discourage traders from making a fortune at
> the expense of other list members. It would also maybe serve to put an end
> to the cynicism that sees traders effectively swapping the odd bit of
> information in exchange for a platform from which to sell their wares. As
> far as I'm concerned, if they can't contribute their information and
> knowledge free of charge, they shouldn't be on the list.
>
> Come on Dale, put the brakes on these blatant traders.
>
> Freddy Benjamin