With regards to Freddy Benjamin's comments re: Stop the CR list "traders", I too disagree. The people "scouring" for parts are making very little net money for the effort. The person finding a desirable part and making an average 50% markup is profing no more than an ordinary merchant ordering out of a catalog. And that merchant can make a sale over and over as he has demand where a rare part is a one time deal. Considering the time spent learning what is desirable, traveling, corresponding etc. the few who try and make a living dealing in old parts could do far better in some other effort.
No one is forced to buy from any one type of source. Let the marketplace sort out what the avenues are. I suspect that anyone who get's too excited about prices will find that there are are only so many collectors, they want a finite list of stuff, and there is a lot out there. I for one have a lot of the bikes and parts I have ever wanted and it is getting pretty hard to make me bite. You even get to the point where you have to admit you have a lifetimes worth of consumables tucked away. Probably more is thrown out very day than makes its way to collectors, so scouring effort of any sort is a contribution to collecting as a whole. I'm not talkings about Herses here, or near perfect original rare bikes but the bulk of vintage lightweight collectables.
Another thing these "traders" are doing is sorting out relative imbalances in supply between markets. Pre-1960's British racing equipment is hard to come by in the US, especially derailleurs and freewheels since racers used to use fixed gears for racing here. It is nice to have a reasonable and convenient source for these parts.
Joe
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> 1. New subscriber with a trike question (Karl Edwards)
> 2. Re: Campagnolo BMX cranks-Rockwell test? (CYCLESTORE@aol.com)
> 3. FAO Alan Schaeffer-Duprat cranks!!! (brucerobbins@supanet.com)
> 4. Re: New subscriber with a trike question (Brian Baylis)
> 5. A G for a Raleigh Pro?!?!? (Doland.Cheung@sce.com)
> 6. Re: New subscriber with a trike question (Mark Chandler)
> 7. was: Campy BMX now: question for Chuck Schmidt (Tom Dalton)
> 8. Re: A G for a Raleigh Pro?!?!? (Chris Beyer)
> 9. For sale: PX-10 wheels (brian blum)
> 10. trike conversion kits (WTrikerider@cs.com)
> 11. Re: was: Campy BMX now: question for Chuck Schmidt (Chuck Schmidt)
> 12. trike conversions (WTrikerider@cs.com)
> 13. Re: was: Campy BMX now: question for Chuck Schmidt (Lee Berg)
> 14. Re: 1981 BICYCLING! magazine cover (bradford stockwell)
> 15. Re: trike conversions (Brian Baylis)
> 16. Re: trike conversions (Chuck Schmidt)
> 17. Re: was: Campy BMX now: question for Chuck Schmidt (OROBOYZ@aol.com)
> 18. RE: trike conversions (Mark Petry)
> 19. drop bolts for modern brakes??? (allstar)
> 20. Anyone up on the French 28.0 vice 28.6 seat tube diameter? (Bruce &
Marie Van Remortel)
> 21. drop bolts for modern brakes??? Try Cyclart.com (Bruce & Marie Van
Remortel)
> 22. small drop bar bike, lost e-mail (David Postman)
> 23. Rose Bowl Vintage Bike Ride (Chuck Schmidt)
> 24. Re: drop bolts for modern brakes??? (Roy H. Drinkwater)
> 25. Stop the CR list "traders" (Freddy Benjamin)
> 26. Re: Stop the CR list "traders" (David Goerndt)
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 12:01:21 -0800
>From: Karl Edwards <illustration@karledwards.com>
>Reply-To: illustration@karledwards.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]New subscriber with a trike question
>
>I'm a new subscriber and looking for a trike conversion kit to install
>on one of my vintage lightweights. I have seen them in England and
>wondered if there might be a used one for sale out there. I know that
>Longstaff. Bob Jackson and Higgins made them in the UK, as well as the
>complete tricycle frames. Any help in locating such a "set-up" or trike
>would be appreciated. I ride a 60cm.
>
>Many thanks,
>Karl Edwards
>Eugene, Oregon
>
>>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 2
>From: CYCLESTORE@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:31:05 EST
>Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo BMX cranks-Rockwell test?
>To: rocklube@adnc.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>Brian,
>
>Well done indeed; finally a practical home test for hardness.
>
>Regards,
>Gilbert"much wiser now" Anderson
>
>In a message dated 11/2/01 5:52:41 PM, rocklube@adnc.com writes:
>
><< Gilbert,
>
>I think the Rockwell test goes something like this. It requires two
>genuine Rockwell paintings of the same size (generally 16" x 24") and of
>equal huge value, placed 2 feet in front of a concrete wall. Next a
>mechanical arm that can sling a crankarm at equal force is required.
>
>The proceedure goes like this. The mechanical arm is set to sling the
>arms at 50 feet per second from a distance of 10 feet from the face of
>the canvas (12 feet from the wall). Each arm is slung through each
>painting and slams into the concrete wall. The technician then measures
>the tear in each canvas and multiplies that measurement buy the length
>of the mushroomed part of the crankarm where it impacted the concrete
>wall. The softer material will naturally deform more than the harder
>material. The lower number will be the harder material. Since the factor
>of the tear almost always cancel each other out; one could forgo the
>paintings, but then you couldn't call it a "Rockwell" test. So I guess
>you kinda need the paintings to do it right. Oh, and you ask why it's
>called the "Rockwell C Scale"? The answer is simple, the parts are
>hitting Concrete. Duh! Hope that answers your technical questions,
>Gilbert.
>
>Brian Baylis
>Institute of Technical Bufoonery
>Advanced Metals Testing Department
>La Mesa, CA
>>
>> In a message dated 11/2/01 2:42:18 PM, rocklube@adnc.com writes:
>>
>> << You could be correct about that. Maybe there is also a heat treating
>> sequence that they leave out of the BMX version of the cranks in
>> addition to the lesser finish. Something has to account for the drastic
>> difference in the price of the arms when new. I suspect you may be
>> correct that they are softer. A Rockwell test would tell the story.
>>
>> Brian Baylis
>> La Mesa, CA >>
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> What test did Norman Rockwell perform and what paint and brush did he
use to
>> test the hardness of metals? Is it perhaps possible that the Campy BMX
>> cranks were anodized rather than painted colors?
>>
>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>> Gilbert Anderson
>> in Raleigh NC >>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 3
>From: brucerobbins@supanet.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:32:02 +0000
>Subject: [CR]FAO Alan Schaeffer-Duprat cranks!!!
>
>
>Since Alan responds to email about as quickly as the QE II turns full circle,
>he'll hopefully read this and realise that his dream cranks are on offer from
>Martin Coopland.
>
>Alan is desperate for a pair to go with a Flying Scot frame I sent him a
while
>back so if anyone knows how to contact him please tell them the cranks are
>available from Martin.
>
>Given that Duprats are absolutely superb and Martin's price is very
>competitive, there's a good chance they'll be gone by the time he reads
>this-unless we all give him a chance...
>
>Cheers,
>Bruce
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:02:01 -0800
>From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
>Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com
>To: illustration@karledwards.com
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]New subscriber with a trike question
>
>Karl,
>
>A trike! What, are you crazy?! ;-)
>
>Brian Baylis
>La Mesa, CA
>>
>> I'm a new subscriber and looking for a trike conversion kit to install
>> on one of my vintage lightweights. I have seen them in England and
>> wondered if there might be a used one for sale out there. I know that
>> Longstaff. Bob Jackson and Higgins made them in the UK, as well as the
>> complete tricycle frames. Any help in locating such a "set-up" or trike
>> would be appreciated. I ride a 60cm.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Karl Edwards
>> Eugene, Oregon
>>
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 5
>From: Doland.Cheung@sce.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:21:07 -0800
>Subject: [CR]A G for a Raleigh Pro?!?!?
>
>$999.99 for a Raleigh Pro.........
>
>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
howTutorial=0&ed=1004727098&indexURL=0&rd=1
>
>Is this market going nuts?? I know it's a hard to find size (my size
>too!), but sheesh....
>
>doland cheung
>la, ca
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:23:10 -0800 (PST)
>From: Mark Chandler <justridingalong@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [CR]New subscriber with a trike question
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>The small ads in the back of Cycling+ usually include a couple of trike
>vendors/manu's. C+ is available at most Borders book stores, so you
>might want give that avenue a try.
>
>--mc
>
>
>
>=====
>Mark Chandler / JustRidingAlong@yahoo.com
>Superior, Colorado
>
>__________________________________________________
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>Find a job, post your resume.
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>--__--__--
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:33:12 -0800 (PST)
>From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [CR] was: Campy BMX now: question for Chuck Schmidt
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>>I think those messengers are retightening their crank
>>bolts, a real no-no.
>
>Hello Chuck,
>Since traditional square-taper cranks will soon be a
>thing of the past* I think further discussion can be
>considered to have classic content, and therefore be
>relevant to this list. Am I reaching?
>(* what Shimano innovation hasn't Campy copied
>lately?)
>
>All kidding aside, I have never heard of anyone
>recommending against retightening crank bolts. In
>fact, the standard practice is to retighten crank
>bolts at least once in the first couple hundred miles
>after installation. I've always applied this to new
>and used crankarms. I've also noticed that the amount
>of retightening needed on high-end cranks is far less
>than on mid-grade cranks. Why do you describe
>retightening as a "no-no"?
>
>While we're on the subject...
>Has anyone heard that Campy recommended replacement of
>the crank bolts every time the crank was reinstalled?
>I heard this somewhere, but I've never seen anything
>official. Seems hard to believe, since the bolts just
>aren't that stressed and failure is very rare (to say
>the least).
>
>Finally...
>Any possibility that problems with crankarm fit on the
>messenger bikes Mike refers to are caused by
>conditions specific to fixed-gear use? On a
>freewheeling bike, the spindle-to-crank interface is
>always loaded in the same direction, on a fixed gear
>bike, the interface is loaded in alternate directions,
>under both pedaling and braking. I imaging that a
>messenger (foolishly, IMHO) riding a fixed gear in
>city traffic would do a lot more back pedaling than a
>rider using a fixed gear on the track. Have any
>experienced track mechanics noticed more problems with
>BB/arm fit on fixed bikes?
>
>Tom Dalton
>
>
>__________________________________________________
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>Find a job, post your resume.
>http://careers.yahoo.com
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:33:35 -0500
>From: Chris Beyer <beyerc@mail.volvo.com>
>To: Doland.Cheung@sce.com
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]A G for a Raleigh Pro?!?!?
>
>Doland, et al:
>
>If you take a look at the comments in the buyer's feedback, it's apparent
that the bike is going out of the country.
>
>Chris Beyer
>75 degrees today!
>Bloomfield, NJ
>
>Doland.Cheung@sce.com wrote:
>
>> $999.99 for a Raleigh Pro.........
>>
>>
http://ebay.com/
>>
>> Is this market going nuts?? I know it's a hard to find size (my size
>> too!), but sheesh....
>>
>> doland cheung
>> la, ca
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 9
>From: "brian blum" <brianblum@hotmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 22:53:04
>Subject: [CR]For sale: PX-10 wheels
>
>I have a pair of Wheels: Normandy Luxe Competition hubs, robergel spokes,
>Mavic Record du Monde de'L'Heure rims good shape $45 plus shipping. Bonus 4
>700C tires in good shape.
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 10
>From: WTrikerider@cs.com
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:52:11 EST
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]trike conversion kits
>
>Ken Rogers made a very nice kit at one time and may still do so. It bolted
>on and required no frame modifications unless you wanted two brakes. For
>that some creativity was needed.
> His address is: Ken G. Rogers
> 71 Berkelely Ave.
> Cranford, Hounslow
> Middlesex TW4 6LF
> England
> I was told about 6 months ago that this address is still Good.
>
>Paul Patzkowsky in Colorado w/shorts riding weather
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:06:45 -0800
>From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
>To: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR] was: Campy BMX now: question for Chuck Schmidt
>
>Tom Dalton wrote:
>>
>> Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>> >I think those messengers are retightening their crank
>> >bolts, a real no-no.
>>
>> Hello Chuck,
>> Since traditional square-taper cranks will soon be a
>> thing of the past* I think further discussion can be
>> considered to have classic content, and therefore be
>> relevant to this list. Am I reaching?
>> (* what Shimano innovation hasn't Campy copied
>> lately?)
>>
>> All kidding aside, I have never heard of anyone
>> recommending against retightening crank bolts. In
>> fact, the standard practice is to retighten crank
>> bolts at least once in the first couple hundred miles
>> after installation. I've always applied this to new
>> and used crankarms. I've also noticed that the amount
>> of retightening needed on high-end cranks is far less
>> than on mid-grade cranks. Why do you describe
>> retightening as a "no-no"?
>
>
>What I really meant to say was _continual_ retightening.
>
>
>> While we're on the subject...
>> Has anyone heard that Campy recommended replacement of
>> the crank bolts every time the crank was reinstalled?
>> I heard this somewhere, but I've never seen anything
>> official. Seems hard to believe, since the bolts just
>> aren't that stressed and failure is very rare (to say
>> the least).
>
>
>Automotive practice is to replace rather than reuse
>fasteners...
>
>I agree that none of the bolts on a bike are stressed to
>any degree and this seems like overkill to me too.
>
>Chuck Schmidt
>South Pasadena, California
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 12
>From: WTrikerider@cs.com
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:16:10 EST
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]trike conversions
>
>Here is an alternate version of Ken Rogers address. I can't say which is
>correct. However, a telephone number was included as a part of the info.
> Ken Rogers
> 71 berkely Ave.
> Cranford, Hounslow
> Middlesex TW4 6LS
> tel +44-181-897-9109
> This info was dated 1997. Holdsworth also sold a trike conversion kit
>in the early 70's. I don't know who made it.
>
>Paul Patzkowsky
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:12:12 -0800
>From: Lee Berg <lberg@ventoux.com>
>To: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR] was: Campy BMX now: question for Chuck Schmidt
>
>Tom,
>
>This is addressed by Jobst Brandt in the rec.bicycles FAQ at
>http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/125.html.
>
>Selective quotes:
>
>"Crank failure from "over-tightening" is caused by the re-tightening of
>previously properly installed cranks." (from Paragraph 4)
>
>"Because cranks squirm farther up the taper when stressed highly, the
>unwitting mechanic believes the screw got loose, rather than that the
>crank got tighter. By pursuing the crank with its every move up the
>spindle, ultimately the crank will split." (from Paragraph 8)
>
>
>Lee Berg
>Palo Alto, Calif.
>
>
>Tom Dalton wrote:
>>
>> All kidding aside, I have never heard of anyone
>> recommending against retightening crank bolts. In
>> fact, the standard practice is to retighten crank
>> bolts at least once in the first couple hundred miles
>> after installation. I've always applied this to new
>> and used crankarms. I've also noticed that the amount
>> of retightening needed on high-end cranks is far less
>> than on mid-grade cranks. Why do you describe
>> retightening as a "no-no"?
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 14
>From: "bradford stockwell" <bstockwell@hotmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 01:44:13 +0000
>Subject: [CR]Re: 1981 BICYCLING! magazine cover
>
>Garth:
>
> The issue you want is July '82, and I have a copy of the article at home.
>It is a review of 6 top bikes, 3 Japanese and 3 Italian. I'm struggling to
>remember exactly here, but I think the Japanese bikes were a 3 Rensho, a
>Fuji Pro, and a Miyata Team (one of 'em had Dura Ace and one had Dura Ace
>AX, one was Suntour). The Italian bikes were a De Rosa, a Guerciotti and a
>Rossin (I think all 3 were Campy). As I recall the article concluded that
>all the bikes were pretty darn good.
> I'll attempt to dig it up, and could possibly scan it if anyone was
>interested (it must be 10 pages or so -- it would be a big Email!)
>
> Brad Stockwell
> No Masi
> Palo Alto
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 15
>Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:38:05 -0800
>From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
>Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com
>To: WTrikerider@cs.com
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]trike conversions
>
>Paul,
>
>As much as I've tried to resist, I have to admit I'd be curious to know
>if a trike conversion kit is available and if so how much. If one of you
>asylum escapees finds anything out please let me know too. I can't
>believe I already have a trike and I know bwtter; and still I'm wanting
>more. Is insanity something that can be passed to others? I must be a
>glutton for punishment. Talk about crazy; maybe I should stick one on my
>Masi! God help us if they still make these things.
>
>Brian Baylis
>Certified crazy in La Mesa, CA. I've got the papers to prove it!
>
>
>
>>
>> Here is an alternate version of Ken Rogers address. I can't say which is
>> correct. However, a telephone number was included as a part of the info.
>> Ken Rogers
>> 71 berkely Ave.
>> Cranford, Hounslow
>> Middlesex TW4 6LS
>> tel +44-181-897-9109
>> This info was dated 1997. Holdsworth also sold a trike conversion kit
>> in the early 70's. I don't know who made it.
>>
>> Paul Patzkowsky
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 16
>Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:59:20 -0800
>From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]trike conversions
>
>Brian Baylis wrote:
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> As much as I've tried to resist, I have to admit I'd be curious to know
>> if a trike conversion kit is available and if so how much. If one of you
>> asylum escapees finds anything out please let me know too. I can't
>> believe I already have a trike and I know bwtter; and still I'm wanting
>> more. Is insanity something that can be passed to others? I must be a
>> glutton for punishment. Talk about crazy; maybe I should stick one on my
>> Masi! God help us if they still make these things.
>>
>> Brian Baylis
>> Certified crazy in La Mesa, CA. I've got the papers to prove it!
>
>
>Brian, they still make 'em and if you put one on your Masi Special...
>
>I'LL NEVER SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN!!!
>
>
>Chuck "an English trike conversion bolted to an Italian Masi with would
>be a crime against nature" Schmidt
>South Pasadena, Southern California
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 17
>From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 22:27:37 EST
>Subject: Re: [CR] was: Campy BMX now: question for Chuck Schmidt
>To: lberg@ventoux.com, tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>In a message dated 11/2/01 8:23:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>lberg@ventoux.com writes:
>
><<
> This is addressed by Jobst Brandt in the rec.bicycles FAQ at
> http://draco.acs.uci.edu/
>
> Selective quotes:
>
> "Crank failure from "over-tightening" is caused by the re-tightening of
> previously properly installed cranks." (from Paragraph 4)
>
> "Because cranks squirm farther up the taper when stressed highly, the
> unwitting mechanic believes the screw got loose, rather than that the
> crank got tighter. By pursuing the crank with its every move up the
> spindle, ultimately the crank will split." (from Paragraph 8) >>
>
>I know you are just quoting Jobst but as a professional in the bike biz for
>27 years+, I say that bit about cranks splitting through over tightening is
>absolute hog wash.
>
>
>Dale Brown
>Greensboro, North Carolina
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 18
>From: "Mark Petry" <mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net>
>To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: RE: [CR]trike conversions
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:47:00 -0800
>
>Well, wait a minute, how bout a "curly" trike conversion with "hellenic"
>seat stay attachment?
>
>markp
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
>[mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Schmidt
>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 6:59 PM
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]trike conversions
>
>
>Brian Baylis wrote:
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> As much as I've tried to resist, I have to admit I'd be curious to know
>> if a trike conversion kit is available and if so how much. If one of you
>> asylum escapees finds anything out please let me know too. I can't
>> believe I already have a trike and I know bwtter; and still I'm wanting
>> more. Is insanity something that can be passed to others? I must be a
>> glutton for punishment. Talk about crazy; maybe I should stick one on my
>> Masi! God help us if they still make these things.
>>
>> Brian Baylis
>> Certified crazy in La Mesa, CA. I've got the papers to prove it!
>
>
>Brian, they still make 'em and if you put one on your Masi Special...
>
>I'LL NEVER SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN!!!
>
>
>Chuck "an English trike conversion bolted to an Italian Masi with would
>be a crime against nature" Schmidt
>South Pasadena, Southern California
>_______________________________________________
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 19
>Reply-To: "allstar" <allstar@gateway.net>
>From: "allstar" <allstar@gateway.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 22:57:52 -0500
>Subject: [CR]drop bolts for modern brakes???
>
>So I am trying to mount Campy dual pivot record brakes on an older steel =
>frame and the reach is wrong . Anybody got a fix? Modern brakes on old =
>frames. Drop bolts? Jeff Hutchinson=20
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 20
>From: "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel" <vrgeckos@ite.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:51:02 +1000
>Subject: [CR]Anyone up on the French 28.0 vice 28.6 seat tube diameter?
>
>Howdy CR list members,
>
>Looks like I may have a Jubilee Front derailleur made for the 28.0mm French
>standard and my frame is 28.6 BSC standard... Anyone else have this
>problem? I was told that "IF" it was a French-diameter 28.0mm it would've
>been stamped with something but this one is just a standard unmarked
>Jubilee, in all it's beauty. Maybe this person had it backwards and the
>BSC's had a marking/stamping???
>
>I don't think the derailleur band will close enough to catch a thread to
>close this thing... Am I outta luck?
>
>How many French bikes really have French diameter tubing? I had heard
>Singer used it... Thanks if anyone can help!
>
>Regards,
>Bruce Van Remortel
>Andersen AFB, Guam USA
>Always 80-something
>
>
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>
>Message: 21
>From: "Bruce & Marie Van Remortel" <vrgeckos@ite.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:57:40 +1000
>Subject: [CR]drop bolts for modern brakes??? Try Cyclart.com
>
>Jeff,
>I know Cyclart.com has them for modern dual-pivots. Hope I don't have to
>type that again soon...
>Better bet is eBay for a classic Campagnolo Nuovo Record drop bolt NOS just
>posted, it looks sweet and I'm sure someone could use it.
>Not mine, no relation to seller, etc...
>Regards,
>Bruce Van Remortel
>Andersen AFB, Guam USA
>Always 80-something
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 22
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 21:22:44 -0800 (PST)
>From: David Postman <DavidPostman@excite.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]small drop bar bike, lost e-mail
>
>
>i accidentally deleted e-mails i meant to keep and lost the one from david
>who asked questions about my fuji jr. for sale. sorry david, and sorry to
>use the list to make up for my goof, but if you could resend your questions
>i'll answer those and send pics.
> thanks all,
> david postman, olympia, wa
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 23
>Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 01:39:37 -0800
>From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Rose Bowl Vintage Bike Ride
>
>Monthly Rose Bowl Vintage Bike Ride
>
>Starts at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, California every FIRST Sunday of
>the month. Meet at the pool/picnic area parking lot at the south end of
>Brrokside Park at 10:30am to introduce yourselves and talk bikes. Ride will
>start at 11:00am sharp. The ride will be a casual-paced 25 miles long
>through Pasadena, South Pasadena, San Marino, Temple City, Arcadia,
>Sierra Madre, Altadena, and back to the Rose Bowl for a picnic and more
>vintage bike talk. The ride is mostly flat with one moderate climb
>(fixed gears are fine in other words). Everyone is encouraged to bring
>and ride a 1985 or earlier bicycle, but feel free to ride anything you
>have.
>
>Chuck Schmidt
>South Pasadena, California
>
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>
>Message: 24
>Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 07:20:41 -0500
>To: classic list <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>From: "Roy H. Drinkwater" <roydrink@mac.com>
>Subject: Re: [CR]drop bolts for modern brakes???
>
>>So I am trying to mount Campy dual pivot record brakes on an older
>>steel frame and the reach is wrong . Anybody got a fix? Modern
>>brakes on old frames. Drop bolts? Jeff Hutchinson
>
> Well, Bicycle Classics http://www.bicycleclassics.com has
>them, Loose Screws has them <http://www.thethirdhand.com>, and Harris
>Cycles has them
><http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/brakes.html#dropbolts>, with Sheldon
>Brown explaining how to install them
><http://sheldonbrown.com/dpdropbolt.html>. Have fun with your "hot
>rod".
>
>Roy "I've got one too" Drinkwater
>Lititz "It's raining, but I'm working - hah!", PA
>
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>
>Message: 25
>From: "Freddy Benjamin" <freddybenjamin@hotmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:36:37 +0000
>Subject: [CR]Stop the CR list "traders"
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>As a self-confessed lurker who is still at the stage of soaking up
>information before being anywhere near able to dispense it, I have held back
>from saying something about the increasingly commercial nature of the list.
>
>More and more it seems that traders and the like are simply using what is
>supposed to a source of information about old bikes as a marketing tool. It
>has been obvious for some time that there are people on the list who see it
>as a means of promoting themselves and their businesses but the situation is
>getting worse.
>
>People who used to have a clear out are now passing on their latest "finds"
>and others are more blatant. Naming no names but I know of one such who is
>actively scouring Ireland and other parts of Europe looking for bikes and
>components that are then offered to the list. Where do you think all this
>stuff comes from? I don't think it is the object of the list to provide a
>livelihood for these people. If they want to buy and sell like this, they
>should use Ebay or the classified adverts in a magazine. Or better still,
>they can set up a website and advertise their goods there-it isnt hard to
>do.
>
>I know that there are many people who are only too willing to buy and I may
>be in a minority but if we must have traders using the list like this, why
>can't their adverts be limited to one day a month. We could make it the same
>day and everyone would then know to expect it.
>
>This would not affect those people who genuinely have some stuff in their
>collection that they would occasionally like to get rid of but, by hitting
>their "cash flow", it might help discourage traders from making a fortune at
>the expense of other list members. It would also maybe serve to put an end
>to the cynicism that sees traders effectively swapping the odd bit of
>information in exchange for a platform from which to sell their wares. As
>far as I'm concerned, if they can't contribute their information and
>knowledge free of charge, they shouldn't be on the list.
>
>Come on Dale, put the brakes on these blatant traders.
>
>Freddy Benjamin
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 26
>From: "David Goerndt" <davidg@iag.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Stop the CR list "traders"
>Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:44:48 -0500
>
>
>
>: [CR]Stop the CR list "traders"
>
>
>> More and more it seems that traders and the like are simply using what is
>> supposed to a source of information about old bikes as a marketing tool.
>It
>> has been obvious for some time that there are people on the list who see
>it
>> as a means of promoting themselves and their businesses but the situation
>is
>> getting worse.
>>
>
>I am going to disagree with this post for several reasons. Part of the
>classic lightweight passion is keeping these machines alive and rideable. To
>do that, a source of parts needs to be available. Before I found this list,
>I didn't think I could ever find parts to refurb my '67 PX 10. Now I have
>parts and, more importantly, a large resource for information. If someone
>wants to sell their finds here, and comply with Dale's rules about listing a
>price, I don't see any harm in it. Granted, Ebay is another source of parts,
>but prices paid are usually very high compared with the parts listed for
>sale here. I've purchased several items through the list that may have cost
>2 or 3 times that on ebay. I for one want to see this continue. I don't want
>to see the list become soley a marketplace, with no information traded, or
>anecdotes shared.
>
>my opinion,
>
>David Goerndt in Orlando
>
>
>
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