Re: [CR]Some more Gillott snippets

(Example: Framebuilders:Dario Pegoretti)

To: stevens@veloworks.com
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:57:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [CR]Some more Gillott snippets
From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>


> Your bike has Nervex "I" lugs <

They are PRUGNAT 'I' lugs, not NERVEX 'I' lugs! i-RICHIE

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:59:18 -0800 "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> writes:
>
>
> While I can't be sure until the paint is stripped, at a glance, my
> Gillott
> appears to be of fine quality although it is in serious need of a
> repaint.
>
> Ken Denny says that my frame (#7100) is probably an Edwardes Gillott
> (it
> certainly has the block-letter logo that were predominant in the
> Edwardes
> era):
>
> I believe it is a 1971 frame. It is actually a pretty nice bike,
> considering that it is not a "real" Gillott, but an Edwardes
> Gillott.
>
> Your bike has Nervex "I" lugs and Allez fork crown (Cinelli
> style)‹both top
> shelf framebuilding components of the time. These components
> represent, to
> me, the departure of ornateness, with a preference towards the
> Italian
> influences of the time, that the entire world of framebuilding could
> not
> resist.
>
> He also believes that:
>
> The nicest Gillotts, in my opinion, are the early ones from Œ47-52.
> These
> used the high tolerance Oscar Egg spear-point lugs, and wonderful
> sweeping
> fork blades, on both oval and round. At this time they also
> produced
> framesets of tapered tubesets with "British Made" bottom bracket
> sets.
>
> --
>
> Steven L. Sheffield
> stevens at veloworks dot com
> veloworks at mac dot com
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>
>
>
> > From: brucerobbins@supanet.com
> > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:13:57 +0000
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]Some more Gillott snippets
> >
> >
> > In answer to a couple of queries, it seems Mr Carrington the
> framebuilder was
> > not the most reasonable of men and a bit difficult to get along
> with.
> >
> > He apparently didn't want to pass any company info to the new
> owners for two
> > reasons: that the heirs to the AS Gillott estate (Mr Gillott's
> sisters)
> > prohibited it and Mr Carrington felt that the Gillott designs
> would be lacking
> > in integrity if he no longer had a hand in the operation and
> quality control.
> >
> > He, therefore, did not want the same frame designs, serial
> numbers, etc,
> > passed on but believed that the new owners should start from
> scratch.
> >
> > Consequently, it is apparently quite easy to spot quality
> differences betweena
> > newer, post Edwardes Gillotts and an original.
> >
> > I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the frame I'm after at the
> moment has
> > never been near anyone called Edwardes...
> >
> > Bruce