Marc, I dispute your thesis that these deraillers were made up by distributors. Subsequent to my earlier posting I spoke withan ex-colleague who confirmed that these deraillers were supplied, by Campagnolo, sometime in the early/midEighties. David Benson Auckland, NZ
Marc Boral wrote:
> The derailleur in question is not a factory unit from the approx.
> dates stated. It was simply created from the NR and GS and Rally
> derailleurs. This particular example shown on Ebay is VERY easy to
> assemble. The obvious clues that this is not a derailleur from the
> dates claimed, are:
>
> 1) The spindles (808/A) are steel type, from '80s.
> 2) The outer arm (806/A) is late style. The early NR outer arms are
> distinguishable by fatter letters, amongst other things.
> 3) The upper body (805/A) and return spring (98/A) are late style, 80s.
> 4) No date on upper body....'84 on.
>
> There has been no spindle replacement. Someone simply took a fully
> assembled LATE MODEL NR parallelogram assembly and mounted it to some
> Rally cage plates. They used a GS spring cage bolt (3505) and spring
> cage cover (3508) instead of a NR for some reason, but no skill
> required....once the cage plates are off, just slip the original
> bolt/cover off and slide the replacements on.
>
> Now, if you want to make the argument that Campy possibly made these
> "RARE" :-) derailleurs in the '80s, that would be a little more
> believable. But what has happened here is someone just converted a
> bunch of derailleurs. We can only speculate what the person's motive
> was. My guess is that there is an abundance of NOS GS and Rally
> small parts available from some distributors.
>
> Marc Boral
> Long Beach, CA
>
>
>
>
> At 10:56 AM 11/27/2001, Hilary Stone wrote:
>
>> Another identical one NOS in its original box turned up earlier this
>> year in
>> England. I think however that Campagnolo almost certainly used parts
>> from
>> their own parts bin. This derailleur came off a one owner bike and I
>> think
>> that its history is beyond question - there is certainly no question
>> of it
>> being a forgery in the sense that someone has deliberately put
>> together an
>> ultra rare derailleur. And Chuck Schmidt has come across a couple of
>> similar derailleurs to the one I have turned up but has no other info on
>> them.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Hilary Stone, in rather miserable, drizzly Bristol
>>
>>
>> > Hilary posted this for sale and talks about it being a NR that was
>> made
>> > perhaps prior to the Rally?
>> >
>> > This is a "first" to me... Anyone see this one before? It sure does
>> have
>> > those somewhat nasty GS hex head pivot bolts.
>> >
>> > http://ebay.com/
>> >
>> > Dale Brown
>> > Greensboro, North Carolina