Re: [CR]. Re: Hey is this a Rally or a NR?

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From: "renaissance-cycles" <info@renaissance-cycles.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "Marc Boral" <mbikealive@earthlink.net>
References: <85.13b92c87.29365017@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011128095140.00b16258@mail.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]. Re: Hey is this a Rally or a NR?
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:48:06 +0100


Hi All! Hate to say, this ''BEAST'' is for..............reals!!!! I didn't just count one but 4 or 5 in the flesh straight out of their red boxes! This was while working at DIN Inds of Mt View ca, which is long gone as like most of the Campagnolo dealers from that period!

Anyway, it was early '80s and I was controlling a Campagnolo shipment straight from Campagnolo U.S.A and a coworker Mark B. pulled one out of the box and said what the hell is this!!......a Jimmy rigged NR Rally!?! We really didn't think much of it so we just stuck them back into their boxes and to the Camagnolo room they went.

I think the reason for opening the box was because the box read something different from the norm?? I can't remember what but it did say something else??....Now I wish I had one of those darn boxes..............with the derailleur!!

Just another day on the job!!

BC Baron Corpuz........Renaissance cycles/Holland.


----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Boral
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]. Re: Hey is this a Rally or a NR?



> Tom Dalton made an observation about this der. that, I am embarrassed to
> say, slipping by me. Nice work Tom. He noticed that the lower body of the
> parallelogram did not seem up to snuff as he remembered a NR should
> look. So, I went back to the Ebay photos..............DAMN! he's
> right. In fact, the upper body is not NR either. The ONLY thing that is
> NR on this entire der. is the outer arm. In other words, this is the stock
> GS Rally except for the outer arm.
>
> This new information negates my earlier theory about how easy it would be
> to make this beast. It would now be much more difficult and much more
> skill needed to pull this off. I can be done. But, because of the effort
> involved, I am less likely to think a mentally disturbed or agenda driven
> individual did this.
>
> Therefore, I must apologize to all people that stood by the theory that it
> is a bonafide Campy model. However, the date of this derailleur is still
> about '84 or later.
>
> Here is my current opinion: I have no clue! Why would Campagnolo
> compromise the "Record" heritage by creating such a beast, especially when
> the GS Rally model was in production PRIOR to this. It doesn't make any
> sense. Maybe this was a glimpse into the poor decision making to come from
> Valentino Campagnolo :-) I don't know, and I give up.
>
> Marc Boral
> Long Beach, CA
>
> At 09:14 AM 11/28/2001, Hilary Stone wrote:
> >Some were fitted with the plastic cover things for a couple of years on
> >derailleurs sold in Britain but by 1980 they had disappeared off the gears
> >for the British market.
> > One final point I would like to make about this derailleur is how I
> >bought it. At Haddenham Cyclejumble a couple of weeks ago a couple of old
> >boys came along with a couple of boxes of bits and a bike. I bought a few
> >bits off them and the bike which was fitted with this derailleur. The bike
> >and the mech were absolutely encrusted with dried up road dirt and grease -
> >it took a lot of cleaning but clearly shows only a little use. So the
> >derailleur was not found separately or sold to me as a 'special' item. I
> >believe totally in its provenance - there is no way it is a forgery. And I
> >think there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Campagnolo made a number
> >of these derailleurs - the NOS one that turned up in the UK, David Benson's
> >one in NZ, and the ones that Chuck Schmidt has seen. The fact that all these
> >use the same combo of parts suggest that they came from a common source
> >which can only be Campag themselves.
> >
> >Hilary Stone, Bristol
> >
> >
> > > In a message dated 11/27/01 10:47:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > Lsquaredb@aol.com writes:
> > >
> > > << The adjuster screws have springs rather than plastic cones, so they're
> > > earlier. >>
> >
> >Dale added:>
> > > Those plastic CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission) "protective" things
> > > were just for the USA were they not?