Re: [CR]Ideor Asso

(Example: Framebuilding:Paint)

From: "feldman" <feldmanbike@yahoo.com>
To: "Ron Cooley" <cooleyr@duke.usask.ca>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <CATFOODpjr2V94GBQTm00004021@catfood.nt.phred.org> <3C0555B2.147A3373@duke.usask.ca>
Subject: Re: [CR]Ideor Asso
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:52:26 -0800


A different animal entirely; Basso frames didn't appear until at least the late 1970's, Ideor Asso frames and bikes don't look like any of them were made later than the mid 1960';s. David Feldman


----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Cooley
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: [CR]Ideor Asso



> OK gang, time to play is this a fraud, and if so, what might it really be?
>
> I recently acquired a 70s vintage frame that has been repainted, and had "Asso" decals applied.
> The logo has a yellow spade and the word Asso is flanked by little multi-coloured wings on the down
> tube. You can see the same decals on a very different frame recently sold by the same seller at
> http://ebay.com/<blah> don't think these are "edited"
> BASSO decals, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I know that Ideor made a model called the Asso, and
> I see that Chuck has a 50s catalogue available through Velo Retro. My first question is whether
> anybody has actually seen one of the bikes? I'm told (in reply to an earlier query) they were
> imported into Canada for a couple years in the 60s or 70s. Maybe they never had a U.S. importer, but
> since the catalogue is there, I'm betting they were. Anyway it's possible that either the seller or a
> previous owner slapped the Asso decals on a frame of another manufacturer when he repainted. Since the
> frame also has nice chromed long-point prugnat lugs, which were painted over when I got the
> frame(ouch!), I don't like to think about why this might have been done. It also seems just barely
> possible to me that this ASSO is genuine, but nothing to do with the IDEOR ASSO. Maybe a small factory
> private label frame (like Tomaso)? Supporting this theory is the absence of any IDEOR name anywhere on
> the bike.
>
> Eventually I'd like to begin to work out what it really is (if it's not an IDEOR ASSO). I realize
> pictures are crucial, and I'll try to arrange some soon. But for now, in addition to the
> above-described lugs (with angular heart-shaped window cutouts on top, and a side profile very similar
> to the prugnat lugs on the CR website), the clues include 27.0 seatpost size, long concave seatstay
> caps, rear brake-bridge reinforcements with cutouts matching the lugs, long chainstays (over 43 cm),
> campy long dropouts, a slotted italian bottom bracket shell with cable guides on top, brazed-on shifter
> posts but no top tube cable guides. Of course things like the cable guides could have been altered and
> covered up by the repaint. Also (cringe) no serial number, though no obvious signs that one has been
> removed either.
>
> Opinions and speculations welcome. More info forthcoming.
>
> Ron Cooley
> Saskatoon, Canada.
>
> _______________________________________________

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