Maybe my post will sound like I am just jealous but is it really that hard to build a bike frame? Or could it be that it is too much work for what you earn doing it? I started out in the classic auto restoration business and believe me making some old rusty hunk of junk into a show vehicle is no easy task (though not as difficult as building a bike frame) Every shop I know of that had been around forever doing show quality work got out of it to do collision repair since that is where the money is. I have a feeling the bike industry is the same way. I may be wrong but my gut feeling is that many of us could be master frame builders but it doesn't pay enough to feed our families. Not only that who would teach us. Sam D.