Wow did I get a few responses to that post. If you have not noticed I write things that get people excited. This is good this list gets boring when all we do is talk about what color label was on a 1960 such and such rim. Sorry if I offended. Brian Bayless asked me to take on a project of building my own bike. Using modern lugs and tubes no special equipment. I can do this, it won't be of his quality or other frame builders on the list. It will be built by me and my file and torch by hand and yes, it will teach me a few things. I can't start this until I move into a new house that is being built and will be ready by Feb. You all can pester me and I will bring it to our get together next year. AGAIN, I just wish there were 40 more specialty frame builders and someone like me could have gotten into the industry and made a living at it. Nothing wrong with what you do but I don't feel the need to clean your shoes for you. There are other skilled trades that take the same skill that pay better. I was talking about the decline of the bike industry as a cottage industry more than how easy it is to build a bike. Sam DiBartolomeo