There's too much self-absorption taking place here regarding this Masi thing. It may be of tremendous interest to a limited number of people but for many of us I suspect it has become a terminal bore.
As usual with these slanging matches it has generated far more heat than light. As I said in an off-list appeal to Dale, this would be a poor argument if it was taking place between drunks in a bar.
Let's keep a sense of proportion and stop venerating framebuilders and treating them as if they were prophets or as if they even occupied a place of major importance in the world above the rest of us. However well they accomplish it, all they actually do is stick bits of tubing together to make a pretty basic form of transport.
Who said what, to whom and when is, at the end of the day, largely irrelevant-at least to me. If some list members feel they must debate this ad infinitum then please do so off list.
If sexual innuendo, swearing and personal attacks can get one struck off then surely boring people to death has to qualify too.
Bruce Robbins
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