One of the great things about the indefineability of art is that opinions like this are valid.
I happend to agree that a finely executed short point lug (with or without windows) is a thing of beauty.
I like some curly-bits on lugs as well ...
I think Hetchins are overdone ... too flash for my tastes.
Others may disagree. Oh well.
I'll just never tell someone that a Hetchins is not art or artistic ... it's just not my taste. I don't see the big deal about a 500-ish year old painting of a rather plain looking woman with a seriously deficient smile, either.
>--- Original Message ---
>From: Jim Allen <jimallen@nctimes.net>
>To: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com>
>Date: 3/8/01 10:06:11 AM
>
>I'm of the school where form ought to follow function. I think
the the curly stayed
>Hetchins are at best curious oddities and curly cued lugs are
ugly.
>
>However, a properly executed short pointed lug with or without
windows is a thing of
>beauty. But, the bike better be a great ride!
>
>Only my opinion, Nomex flame suit on.
>
>Later, Jim
>
>..
>
>
>
>Jerry Moos wrote:
>
>> I think the art and engineering of bicycles IS what we admire
most, or at least
>> high on the list, so I welcome Bob stimulating a discussion
of that. Some
>> bikes, like curly stay Hetchins, are high art, while others
like my recently
>> acquired Teledyne and my long owned ALANs are fascinating
exercises in
>> innovative engineering. Maybe the engineering is "light"
compared to a fighter
>> plane or a formula one cars, but in some respects it is more
challenging, as you
>> only have the power of one human as an engine, not the 1000
hp of a formula one
>> engine, and you can't design something that cost tens of millions
of dollars
>> like a fighter plane.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerry Moos
>>
>> walter skrzypek wrote:
>>
>> > Can we nip this before it gets out of control.
>> >
>> > *snip*
>> > I'm saddened to see that yet again we are descending into
the depths of the
>> > >"framebuilding is art rather than just light engineering"
discussion group
>> > >?
>> > *snip*
>> >
>> > Notice he mentions that the postings appear to be going
in the direction of
>> > a "framebuilding is art rather than just light engineering"
discussion...HE
>> > DOES NOT state this as his opinion but rather it is the
tragic path these
>> > posts are starting to follow. Please let us return to the
classic posts and
>> > let this die out. OR email offlist. Yes, once again, I can
indeed use delete
>> > but when I get through using delete as others have said,
I am not getting a
>> > whole lot of other posts remaining. let us refocus back
to what we all
>> > admire most and cycling.
>> >
>> > Walt Skrzypek
>> > Falls Creek, Pa
>> > "believing the confente/medici/masi/... is beginning to
look like the 2000
>> > gore/bush election"
>> >
>> > >From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com>
>> > >To: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>, Classic Rendezvous
>> > ><classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>> > >Subject: Re: [CR]Mario Confente (was inconsequential bollocks)
>> > >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 06:22:56 -0800
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Frame building is more than just light engineering.
>> > >It is more than just craftsmanship.
>> > >It is more than art.
>> > >
>> > >It is all three.
>> > >
>> > >The engineering comes in designing a bike that won't fall
apart when
>> > >ridden.
>> > >The craft is taking the design and building it consistently
well.
>> > >The art is in making it look beautiful rather than just
functional.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >--
>> > >
>> > >Steven L. Sheffield
>> > >stevens at veloworks dot com
>> > >veloworks at earthlink dot net
>> > >aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash
double-you
>> > >double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word]
slash
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > From: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >[snip]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I'm saddened to see that yet again we are descending
into the depths of
>> > >the
>> > > > "framebuilding is art rather than just light engineering"
discussion
>> > >group ?