Jim: I'm glad you finished your note with " It's only your opinion". I'm an official Hetchins freak, if there is such a thing. I find beauty in the simpler models as well as the highly ornate "Curly" models. But after doing Larz Anderson for a few years I've got to admire some of the artistry of balloon tyre bikes as well. My tastes are wide and varied. Dale may kick me off the group(only kidding) but I'm restoring a 1989 Kestrel K4000 this summer with a custom paint job to show at Larz next to my collection of English lightweights from the 40s to the 70s. Hetchinspete
>From: Joseph Bender-Zanoni <jfbender@umich.edu>
>To: "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Overdone Hetchins
>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:39:44 -0800
>
>Hetchins seem to come in a flavor to suit anyone:
>
>http://www.flashq.de/HETCH03B.HTM
>
>My keyhole-spade is, in my humble opinion, just right.
>
>Joe
>
>At 03:01 PM 3/8/01 -0800, stevens wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >One of the great things about the indefineability of art is that
> >opinions like this are valid.
> >
> >I happend to agree that a finely executed short point lug (with
> >or without windows) is a thing of beauty.
> >
> >I like some curly-bits on lugs as well ...
> >
> >I think Hetchins are overdone ... too flash for my tastes.
> >
> >Others may disagree. Oh well.
> >
> >I'll just never tell someone that a Hetchins is not art or artistic
> >... it's just not my taste. I don't see the big deal about a
> >500-ish year old painting of a rather plain looking woman with
> >a seriously deficient smile, either.
> >
> >
> >
> >>--- Original Message ---
> >>From: Jim Allen <jimallen@nctimes.net>
> >>To: Jerry Moos <moos@penn.com>
> >>Date: 3/8/01 10:06:11 AM
> >>
> >
> >>I'm of the school where form ought to follow function. I think
> >the the curly stayed
> >>Hetchins are at best curious oddities and curly cued lugs are
> >ugly.
> >>
> >>However, a properly executed short pointed lug with or without
> >windows is a thing of
> >>beauty. But, the bike better be a great ride!
> >>
> >>Only my opinion, Nomex flame suit on.
> >>
> >>Later, Jim
> >>
> >>..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Jerry Moos wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think the art and engineering of bicycles IS what we admire
> >most, or at least
> >>> high on the list, so I welcome Bob stimulating a discussion
> >of that. Some
> >>> bikes, like curly stay Hetchins, are high art, while others
> >like my recently
> >>> acquired Teledyne and my long owned ALANs are fascinating
> >exercises in
> >>> innovative engineering. Maybe the engineering is "light"
> >compared to a fighter
> >>> plane or a formula one cars, but in some respects it is more
> >challenging, as you
> >>> only have the power of one human as an engine, not the 1000
> >hp of a formula one
> >>> engine, and you can't design something that cost tens of millions
> >of dollars
> >>> like a fighter plane.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Jerry Moos
> >>>
> >>> walter skrzypek wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Can we nip this before it gets out of control.
> >>> >
> >>> > *snip*
> >>> > I'm saddened to see that yet again we are descending into
> >the depths of the
> >>> > >"framebuilding is art rather than just light engineering"
> >discussion group
> >>> > >?
> >>> > *snip*
> >>> >
> >>> > Notice he mentions that the postings appear to be going
> >in the direction of
> >>> > a "framebuilding is art rather than just light engineering"
> >discussion...HE
> >>> > DOES NOT state this as his opinion but rather it is the
> >tragic path these
> >>> > posts are starting to follow. Please let us return to the
> >classic posts and
> >>> > let this die out. OR email offlist. Yes, once again, I can
> >indeed use delete
> >>> > but when I get through using delete as others have said,
> >I am not getting a
> >>> > whole lot of other posts remaining. let us refocus back
> >to what we all
> >>> > admire most and cycling.
> >>> >
> >>> > Walt Skrzypek
> >>> > Falls Creek, Pa
> >>> > "believing the confente/medici/masi/... is beginning to
> >look like the 2000
> >>> > gore/bush election"
> >>> >
> >>> > >From: "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com>
> >>> > >To: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>, Classic Rendezvous
> >>> > ><classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> >>> > >Subject: Re: [CR]Mario Confente (was inconsequential bollocks)
> >>> > >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 06:22:56 -0800
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Frame building is more than just light engineering.
> >>> > >It is more than just craftsmanship.
> >>> > >It is more than art.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >It is all three.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >The engineering comes in designing a bike that won't fall
> >apart when
> >>> > >ridden.
> >>> > >The craft is taking the design and building it consistently
> >well.
> >>> > >The art is in making it look beautiful rather than just
> >functional.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >--
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Steven L. Sheffield
> >>> > >stevens at veloworks dot com
> >>> > >veloworks at earthlink dot net
> >>> > >aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash
> >double-you
> >>> > >double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word]
> >slash
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > From: Bob Reid <bob.reid@btconnect.com>
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >[snip]
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > I'm saddened to see that yet again we are descending
> >into the depths of
> >>> > >the
> >>> > > > "framebuilding is art rather than just light engineering"
> >discussion
> >>> > >group ?
> >>> > >
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