RE: [CR]Robotic brazed lugged frames?

(Example: Framebuilders:Richard Moon)

In-Reply-To: <C102531FB711D411B5B90060B0A4687605E632@sense-bulgier-195.oz.net>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:53:13 -0400
To: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>, "'garth libre'" <rabbitman@mindspring.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
From: "Sheldon Brown" <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
Subject: RE: [CR]Robotic brazed lugged frames?


At 3:40 PM -0700 7/4/01, Mark Bulgier wrote:
>Many lugged frames were made in brazing machines that wave an array of
>propane-oxygen "rosebud" torches pointed at the joint until an infrared
>sensor detects brazing temperature, then a wirefeed mechanism applies the
>brass. Brass can also be preplaced inside the joint as rings, strips, or
>pellets.
>
>Not sure when these machines were first employed, but I think many if not
>most cheaper lugged frames were made with these starting in maybe '85? I
>know the Taiwanese and Chinese have these machines but I think I remember a
>"Bike Machinery" (Italian) version too.

The old Raleigh factory in Nottingham did "furnace brazing" where the frames, with pre-placed brass, were run through a furnace. Didn't need no steenking robots.
>Ross had an interesting automated brazing method: tacked frames with
>preplaced brass were dipped into a molten salt bath that brought the entire
>frame up to brazing temperature, while also acting as the flux. I assume
>they modulated the cooling temperature to arrive at a heat treat state
>somewhere around "normalized".

I have a Mead Ranger built in 1916, and have a photocopy of a contemporary catalogue that says they were "crucible brazed." The frame is internally lugged, and, as I understand it, the different joint areas of the frame were dipped into a crucible filled with molten brass.

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