I am no expert on classic lightweight cycles, nor am I an expert on how this list is run, but I am willing to share my feelings about business deals between list members gone bad. Our list is relatively small and I have come to know the more vocal list members well, over the last four months. Let us start first with what bicycles are to us. It is art, and physical aspirations combined. Whenever art is involved, people reveal themselves more completely than in say politics or finance. The soul is uncovered in the process of restoration of the bike and the body simultaneously. The ability of people to share their plans and hopes and artistic yearnings in a safe environment is damaged when someone doesn't honor the sacredness of such a space. I mean all this in total seriousness. That is why I suggest revealing the identities of those that violate this trust, by doing dirty business deals in the name of serving list members, with shared interests. The list could offer the possibility for the buyer and seller to make statements of their views of what might have gone wrong, and the other members would be free to draw their own conclusions. From what I understand, disagreements between list members over sale of merchandise, is not an every day occurrence. Statements that include the identities of parties are no more likely to drag on, taking up valuable bandwidth, then statements that only suggest who the parties are. In that light, what is the advantage of the list protecting those identities, when the list is taking no position on who is right or wrong ? Revealing identities would not clear the air, but I bet that it would discourage tendencies to future swindles. Garth, perhaps a bit naive Libre, in Surfside Fl.