RE: [CR] Determining Frame tubing?

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From: "Mark Bulgier" <>
Subject: RE: [CR] Determining Frame tubing?
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:31:26 -0700

Dale wrote:
> The over sized, bulged-right-behind-the-bbkt. chainstays like
> in the PS were also made by Ishiwata.

Really? Cool. My '74 Ishiwata catalog doesn't list 'em but I know it isn't complete, I used other Ishiwata tubes that aren't in that catalog, tandem tubes for instance. I used some Ishiwata 24mm c-stays, but they didn't swage down, you had to use 'em with a lugless shell.

Do you know of any bikes that used those PS style Ishiwata c-stays? Nagasawa maybe?

Interesting quotes from '74 catalog:

Victorious The Word [sic] Championship Proffesional [sic] Road 1973 BARCELONA (SPAIN)

Victorious The Word Championship Proffesional and Amateur Cross Country 1974 Vella de Vidasso (SPAIN)

Alright you racing historians, who won the '73 pro road worlds and what kind of bike did he ride? And what's this "Cross Country" worlds they mention, the very next year also in Spain? Cyclo-X maybe?

BTW, older Ishiwata tubes were also stamped, with a logo and the wall thickness, but so close to the end that it would almost certainly be cut off or underneath the lug. By about '77 they stopped stamping and just marked the end with the shorter butt by dipping it very slightly in yellow paint.

They had funny/cool names for the tubesets, including "Glories Victory" and "Speed Gallant". Good steel; I was sorry to see 'em go.

Mark Bulgier
Seattle, Wa