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Today's Topics:

1. RE: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (David Bilenkey) 2. Re:Mercier Today (nickzz@mindspring.com) 3. Blue Wheel Bike Shop (Martin O. Walsh) 4. Re: Re: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.? (feldman) 5. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (Steve Freides) 6. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (feldman) 7. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (dave bohm) 8. Re: Raleigh Pro Questions - (Huemax@aol.com) 9. allegro milano tubulars? (Aldo Ross) 10. Re: Re: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.? (RaleighPro531@aol.com) 11. Blue Wheel Bike Shop_Scott Paisley builder (OROBOYZ@aol.com) 12. Shims and other useful things (Bingham, Wayne R.) 13. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (Philcycles@aol.com) 14. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (Daniel Artley) 15. Scott Paisley/Blue Wheel (Martin O. Walsh) 16. RE: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.? (Mark Bulgier) 17. RE: Re: Bike Brochure FTP site - now mirrored at bulgier.net (Mark Bulgier) 18. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (Jim Allen) 19. Re: Jagrose frame info (brucerobbins) 20. Bertrand NOS found (Roy H. Drinkwater) 21. RE: Bertrand NOS found (David Bilenkey) 22. Re: Peanut Butter Wrench and Early SR Crank

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Message: 1 From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> To: "Robert White" <Robert_White@notes.ntrs.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:32:56 -0500

Pop cans are usually 0.1 mm thick (at least the ones I've used as shims are). Grab a can and cut it open with a pair of scissors (drink the pop first!) and try it.

David Bilenkey Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Robert White Sent: February 28, 2002 9:22 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube

Hello All,

Anyone know of a thin shim or have recommendations (other than cranking down the binder bolt) for using a 27.2 seatpost in a frame built for 27.4?

Thanks for any help, Rob White Chicago, IL

To: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>, <mark@bulgier.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.? Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:58:00 -0800

The ad has been posted on the OBRA (Oregon Bicycle Racing Asn.) list before and it's a Sugino Mighty Compe ring. But did Shimano do 144mm track rings for awhile? David Feldman Vancouver WA


----- Original Message -----
From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
To: mark@bulgier.net


<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:28 AM Subject: [CR]Re: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.?


> In a message dated 2/28/2002 2:05:08 AM Eastern

Standard Time,
> mark@bulgier.net writes:
>
> << Shimano made 151mm road rings? That doesn't

sound right to me, can anyone
> confirm? I know they made 151 track rings, and

maybe even track rings for
> road chain (3/32" wide, not pitch), but an actual road ring? Oldest Shimano
> road cranks I've seen were 144mm. >>
>
> Hmmm. I never saw a 144 Shimano road chain ring

pattern either. I thought
> Shimano (Dura Ace) bravely broke away from Campy-initiated 144 mm to use 130
> mm from the very beginning?
> I remember (albeit a faulty memory system at work!) Assos being the first
> company to match step with Shimano and use the 130 as well. Sugino and
> Suntour kept with the "old" 144 pattern for a while...
>
> Ditto, can anyone confirm? (I know... Chuck, you have the chain ring guide
> reprint available for $12.95, right? Ha!)
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina

http://mail.yahoo.com

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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:14:38 -0500 From: Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> Organization: Friday's Computer To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube

David Bilenkey wrote:
>
> Pop cans are usually 0.1 mm thick (at least the

ones I've used as shims
> are). Grab a can and cut it open with a pair of

scissors (drink the pop
> first!) and try it.

What he said!

You may find you have to play around with the size of the shim, not in terms of thickness (which you can't control) but in terms of how much of the circle you attempt to fill with your shim. I'd try something that goes almost but not quite completely around the seatpost. If that makes too tight a fit, then shorten your shim a bit and

try again. 0.2mm is quite close already and that could make this a bit gnarly.

I've also found it helpful to bend down the edges

of the shim to keep it from disappearing into the seat tube.

-S-


> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On

Behalf Of Robert White
> Sent: February 28, 2002 9:22 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube
>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone know of a thin shim or have recommendations
> (other than cranking down the binder bolt) for using
> a 27.2 seatpost in a frame built for 27.4?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Rob White
> Chicago, IL
>

To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "Robert White" <Robert_White@notes.ntrs.com> Subject: Re: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 07:00:23 -0800

Do anything except try to crank the seat binder bolt down! On frames built with stamped lugs overtightening can/will collapse the seat binder ears on the lug and it can also cause cracking around the bottom of the slot in the back of the seat tube. There are

a few 27.4mm seatposts out there but mostly non-classic. Campagnolo did make Super Record posts that size starting (I think) when Reynolds introduced thin walled 753 tubes. David Feldman Vancouver WA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert White"


<Robert_White@notes.ntrs.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:22 AM Subject: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube


> Hello All,
>
> Anyone know of a thin shim or have recommendations
> (other than cranking down the binder bolt) for using
> a 27.2 seatpost in a frame built for 27.4?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Rob White
> Chicago, IL
>
>

http://mail.yahoo.com

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Message: 7 From: "dave bohm" <davebohm@home.com> To: "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:02:57 -0700

I would find some plastic shim stock at the local

industrial tool = supplier. It comes in a book of long sheets of 20 or so different = thickness for about 12 bucks. Find the theoretical thickness and just = cut off what you need. Comes in handy for lots of stuff. Also it won't = mar your post or be hard to deal with like coke can or the like.

Dave Bohm Bohemian Bicycles ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Freides=20 To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org=20 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter

seat tube

David Bilenkey wrote: >=20 > Pop cans are usually 0.1 mm thick (at least the ones I've used as = shims > are). Grab a can and cut it open with a pair of scissors (drink the = pop > first!) and try it.

What he said!

You may find you have to play around with the size of the shim, not in terms of thickness (which you can't control) but in terms of how much = of the circle you attempt to fill with your shim.

I'd try something that goes almost but not quite completely around the

seatpost. If that = makes too tight a fit, then shorten your shim a bit and try again. 0.2mm is quite close already and that could make this a bit gnarly.

I've also found it helpful to bend down the edges of the shim to keep = it from disappearing into the seat tube.

-S-

=20 > David Bilenkey > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org > [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Robert = White > Sent: February 28, 2002 9:22 AM > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org > Subject: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube >=20 > Hello All, >=20 > Anyone know of a thin shim or have recommendations > (other than cranking down the binder bolt) for using > a 27.2 seatpost in a frame built for 27.4? >=20 > Thanks for any help, > Rob White > Chicago, IL >=20 >


>
> The ad has been posted on the OBRA (Oregon Bicycle Racing Asn.) list before
> and it's a Sugino Mighty Compe ring. But did Shimano do 144mm track rings
> for awhile?
>
>

At this time Harris Cyclery has listed track rings: Sugino in 151, Sugino and Dura-ace in 144. Road rings: Sugino in 144.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/chainrings.html

and others of course.

Pete Geurds Douglassville, PA

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Message: 11 From: OROBOYZ@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:14:35 EST To: mowalsh@erols.com Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Blue Wheel Bike Shop_Scott Paisley builder

In a message dated 2/28/2002 10:14:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, mowalsh@erols.com writes:

<< Blue Wheel Bicycle Shop in Charlottesville,Va.

is still in business as far as I know....I met a club rider recently riding a custom made frameset that he said came from "The Blue Wheel" in Charlottesville.It was a classic built lugged steel bicycle,it looked GOOD!.....If I recall correctly he said the owner of the shop did a small number of frames. >>

Scott Paisley is a fine builder...

He studied frame making in the UK as an apprentice, (I think at Holdsworth too, as did McLean Fonvielle) He told me stories about those days including visiting the pre-Bob Jackson Hetchins shop still presided over at that time by Jack Denny... Before he became a partner in The Blue Wheel, he worked on his own as a full time builder, first in Ohio and

then moved to Virginia and eventually gave it up as a solo builder and went to work at Blue Wheel. That shop is tiny little shop, down a funky alley near

Univ. of Va., in which they have to move bunches of bikes outside each day to

be able to enter the store... Very old school!

I sold his frames through CDO in the early 1990s ..

Back then Scot also briefly (1-2 years) made Gary

Fisher's high end steel MTB frames under contract; he is an awesome filet brazer..

Scott's talents included his ability to do really

amazing lug cut outs.. He used a fine saw blade-a jeweler's saw or similar-and did very, very detailed work. We had a custom job done for a local furniture designer which included a running man (stick figure sort of) in one lug, a guitar on another lug and the customer's initials on the third lug!! We then had the frame brass plated and lacquered, and used all black components.... Wild! ----------------- Reminds me, that about 1987 I went to Scotts house/workshop, near Faber, Va, slept in a hammock attached to trees on his property, and went to the workshop to work on my framebuild with him. Between us, in a little less than a week, we had a completely aero Columbus SL/SP Henry James lugged roadframe made(while he attended to his own builds too), all cables run inside the frame tubes. It has a wishbone rear end, and very limited tire clearance(a Del Mundo won't turn well !). I still have the bike, decked out mostly with NR, it is back in Ca in storage.

===== Neill Currie, Portland, Me 04102, USA. The Mountain Goat website is at: http://www.geocities.com/neill1234/index.html?1011568933040 Mountain Goat Frameset or complete bike still wanted, 20 to 21.5 inches c to t, other goatish stuff also wanted. Mountain Goat Mailing list is at: http://www.topica.com/lists/mountain.goat I have repro Mountain Goat decal sets for sale.