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Subject: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #1144 - 22 msgs
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Date: 28 Feb 2002 11:29:02 -0800
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (David Bilenkey) 2. Re:Mercier Today (nickzz@mindspring.com) 3. Blue Wheel Bike Shop (Martin O. Walsh) 4. Re: Re: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.? (feldman) 5. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (Steve Freides) 6. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (feldman) 7. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (dave bohm) 8. Re: Raleigh Pro Questions - (Huemax@aol.com) 9. allegro milano tubulars? (Aldo Ross) 10. Re: Re: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.? (RaleighPro531@aol.com) 11. Blue Wheel Bike Shop_Scott Paisley builder (OROBOYZ@aol.com) 12. Shims and other useful things (Bingham, Wayne R.) 13. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (Philcycles@aol.com) 14. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (Daniel Artley) 15. Scott Paisley/Blue Wheel (Martin O. Walsh) 16. RE: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.? (Mark Bulgier) 17. RE: Re: Bike Brochure FTP site - now mirrored at bulgier.net (Mark Bulgier) 18. Re: 27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube (Jim Allen) 19. Re: Jagrose frame info (brucerobbins) 20. Bertrand NOS found (Roy H. Drinkwater) 21. RE: Bertrand NOS found (David Bilenkey) 22. Re: Peanut Butter Wrench and Early SR Crank
Bolts (Jerry & Liz Moos)
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Message: 1 From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> To: "Robert White" <Robert_White@notes.ntrs.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:32:56 -0500
Pop cans are usually 0.1 mm thick (at least the ones I've used as shims are). Grab a can and cut it open with a pair of scissors (drink the pop first!) and try it.
David Bilenkey Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Robert White Sent: February 28, 2002 9:22 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube
Hello All,
Anyone know of a thin shim or have recommendations (other than cranking down the binder bolt) for using a 27.2 seatpost in a frame built for 27.4?
Thanks for any help, Rob White Chicago, IL
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:53:49 -0500 From: <nickzz@mindspring.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re:Mercier Today
Check out the web http://www.cyclesmercier.com I had not been to this site in a while,seems they are offering some better quality products than last year.Previous bicycles offered were very low end department store type stuff;as described by Baron. Check out the technology tab under the Reynolds section for a decidedly French opinion of the neighboring ISLE.Good for a grin. This Mercier is probably just using the name of the former company. Merciers from the pink bike team era were usually offered in sequentially numbered models[100/200/300] The top of the line bikes were Reynolds tubing/ Campagnolo dropouts & gruppo.Others were made with almost entirely French tubing & components. Nick Zatezalo Atlanta,Ga
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:10:34 -0500 From: "Martin O. Walsh" <mowalsh@erols.com> Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Blue Wheel Bike Shop
Hi Harris and CR List, Blue Wheel Bicycle Shop in
Charlottesville,Va. is still in business as far as I know....I met a club rider recently riding a custom made frameset that he said came from "The Blue Wheel" in Charlottesville.It was a classic built lugged steel bicycle,it looked GOOD!.....If I recall correctly he said the owner
of the shop did a small number of frames.....That Harry Quinn on e-bay looked interesting from the photo's....Yours truly, Martin Walsh in Vienna,VA
harris spracher wrote:
> Is there any one out there that remembers the
> "unpainted"Gios Torino's of the mid 70's?
> And I would really like to find Bill Gray of
Blue
> Wheel
> Bike Shop fame from early '70's to
mid/late'80's
> Charlottesvile,Va.
> And while we are on it the copper plated Harry
Quinn
> went for less than $700.00 on ebay a few weeks
ago.
> I remember that they cost about $100.00 more
than a
> Masi in the early to mid '70's
>
> ___
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Message: 4 From: "feldman" <feldmanbike@yahoo.com> To: <OROBOYZ@aol.com>, <mark@bulgier.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.? Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:58:00 -0800
The ad has been posted on the OBRA (Oregon Bicycle Racing Asn.) list before and it's a Sugino Mighty Compe ring. But did Shimano do 144mm track rings for awhile? David Feldman Vancouver WA
<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:28 AM Subject: [CR]Re: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.?
> In a message dated 2/28/2002 2:05:08 AM Eastern
Standard Time,
> mark@bulgier.net writes:
>
> << Shimano made 151mm road rings? That doesn't
sound right to me, can
anyone
> confirm? I know they made 151 track rings, and
maybe even track rings for
> road chain (3/32" wide, not pitch), but an
actual road ring? Oldest
Shimano
> road cranks I've seen were 144mm. >>
>
> Hmmm. I never saw a 144 Shimano road chain ring
pattern either. I thought
> Shimano (Dura Ace) bravely broke away from
Campy-initiated 144 mm to use
130
> mm from the very beginning?
> I remember (albeit a faulty memory system at
work!) Assos being the first
> company to match step with Shimano and use the
130 as well. Sugino and
> Suntour kept with the "old" 144 pattern for a
while...
>
> Ditto, can anyone confirm? (I know... Chuck,
you have the chain ring guide
> reprint available for $12.95, right? Ha!)
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:14:38 -0500 From: Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> Organization: Friday's Computer To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube
David Bilenkey wrote:
>
> Pop cans are usually 0.1 mm thick (at least the
ones I've used as shims
> are). Grab a can and cut it open with a pair of
scissors (drink the pop
> first!) and try it.
What he said!
You may find you have to play around with the size of the shim, not in terms of thickness (which you can't control) but in terms of how much of the circle you attempt to fill with your shim. I'd try something that goes almost but not quite completely around the seatpost. If that makes too tight a fit, then shorten your shim a bit and
try again. 0.2mm is quite close already and that could make this a bit gnarly.
I've also found it helpful to bend down the edges
of the shim to keep it from disappearing into the seat tube.
-S-
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On
Behalf Of Robert White
> Sent: February 28, 2002 9:22 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter
seat tube
>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone know of a thin shim or have
recommendations
> (other than cranking down the binder bolt) for
using
> a 27.2 seatpost in a frame built for 27.4?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Rob White
> Chicago, IL
>
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Message: 6 From: "feldman" <feldmanbike@yahoo.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "Robert White" <Robert_White@notes.ntrs.com> Subject: Re: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 07:00:23 -0800
Do anything except try to crank the seat binder bolt down! On frames built with stamped lugs overtightening can/will collapse the seat binder ears on the lug and it can also cause cracking around the bottom of the slot in the back of the seat tube. There are
a few 27.4mm seatposts out there but mostly non-classic. Campagnolo did make Super Record posts that size starting (I think) when Reynolds introduced thin walled 753 tubes. David Feldman Vancouver WA
<Robert_White@notes.ntrs.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:22 AM Subject: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone know of a thin shim or have
recommendations
> (other than cranking down the binder bolt) for
using
> a 27.2 seatpost in a frame built for 27.4?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Rob White
> Chicago, IL
>
>
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Message: 7 From: "dave bohm" <davebohm@home.com> To: "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter seat tube Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:02:57 -0700
I would find some plastic shim stock at the local
industrial tool = supplier. It comes in a book of long sheets of 20 or so different = thickness for about 12 bucks. Find the theoretical thickness and just = cut off what you need. Comes in handy for lots of stuff. Also it won't = mar your post or be hard to deal with like coke can or the like.
Dave Bohm Bohemian Bicycles ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Freides=20 To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org=20 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter
seat tube
David Bilenkey wrote: >=20 > Pop cans are usually 0.1 mm thick (at least the ones I've used as = shims > are). Grab a can and cut it open with a pair of scissors (drink the = pop > first!) and try it.
What he said!
You may find you have to play around with the size of the shim, not in terms of thickness (which you can't control) but in terms of how much = of the circle you attempt to fill with your shim.
I'd try something that goes almost but not quite completely around the
seatpost. If that = makes too tight a fit, then shorten your shim a bit and try again. 0.2mm is quite close already and that could make this a bit gnarly.
I've also found it helpful to bend down the edges of the shim to keep = it from disappearing into the seat tube.
-S-
=20
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
>
[mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On
Behalf Of Robert =
White
> Sent: February 28, 2002 9:22 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]27.2 seatpost in 27.4 diameter
seat tube
>=20
> Hello All,
>=20
> Anyone know of a thin shim or have
recommendations
> (other than cranking down the binder bolt)
for using
> a 27.2 seatpost in a frame built for 27.4?
>=20
> Thanks for any help,
> Rob White
> Chicago, IL
>=20
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Message: 8 From: Huemax@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:56:12 EST Subject: Re: [CR]Raleigh Pro Questions - To: Pugsx2@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In a message dated 2/28/02 2:34:01 AM EST, Pugsx2@aol.com writes:
<< d) Are there identifying date markings on a '72 Brooks Pro Saddle? >> I have seen 2 digit numbers stamped aling with letter "A" "B", or "C", for instance, 65 Paramount I found "C 65" , lagre livett Raleigh Pro 73 had "A 73", and some B-17N saddle has "B-74".
Can anyone tellme what are those letters? I think 2 digit numbers are year of proiduction. ie=no letter 80 is 1980. yes, sometime there is no letter at all.
Sorry I can not answer your questions a) through c) about toe strap and clips.
Hope some of us can answer about Brooks saddle.
Thanks in advance!
KEN TODA, back in winter 30's in NC, but clear "COLD"
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Message: 9 From: "Aldo Ross" <swampmtn@siscom.net> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:05:40 -0500 Subject: [CR]allegro milano tubulars?
Anyone know anything about "Allegro (Milano)" tubulars?
Aldo Ross Monroe, Ohio
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Message: 10 From: RaleighPro531@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:05:54 EST Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Shimano 151 or 144 pat.? To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In a message dated 2/28/2002 10:15:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, feldmanbike@yahoo.com writes:
>
> The ad has been posted on the OBRA (Oregon
Bicycle Racing Asn.) list before
> and it's a Sugino Mighty Compe ring. But did
Shimano do 144mm track rings
> for awhile?
>
>
At this time Harris Cyclery has listed track rings: Sugino in 151, Sugino and Dura-ace in 144. Road rings: Sugino in 144.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
and others of course.
Pete Geurds Douglassville, PA
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Message: 11 From: OROBOYZ@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:14:35 EST To: mowalsh@erols.com Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Blue Wheel Bike Shop_Scott Paisley builder
In a message dated 2/28/2002 10:14:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, mowalsh@erols.com writes:
<< Blue Wheel Bicycle Shop in Charlottesville,Va.
is still in business as far as I know....I met a club rider recently riding a custom made frameset that he said came from "The Blue Wheel" in Charlottesville.It was a classic built lugged steel bicycle,it looked GOOD!.....If I recall correctly he said the owner of the shop did a small number of frames. >>
Scott Paisley is a fine builder...
He studied frame making in the UK as an apprentice, (I think at Holdsworth too, as did McLean Fonvielle) He told me stories about those days including visiting the pre-Bob Jackson Hetchins shop still presided over at that time by Jack Denny... Before he became a partner in The Blue Wheel, he worked on his own as a full time builder, first in Ohio and
then moved to Virginia and eventually gave it up as a solo builder and went to work at Blue Wheel. That shop is tiny little shop, down a funky alley near
Univ. of Va., in which they have to move bunches of bikes outside each day to
be able to enter the store... Very old school!
I sold his frames through CDO in the early 1990s ..
Back then Scot also briefly (1-2 years) made Gary
Fisher's high end steel MTB frames under contract; he is an awesome filet brazer..
Scott's talents included his ability to do really
amazing lug cut outs.. He used a fine saw blade-a jeweler's saw or similar-and did very, very detailed work. We had a custom job done for a local furniture designer which included a running man (stick figure sort of) in one lug, a guitar on another lug and the customer's initials on the third lug!! We then had the frame brass plated and lacquered, and used all black components.... Wild! ----------------- Reminds me, that about 1987 I went to Scotts house/workshop, near Faber, Va, slept in a hammock attached to trees on his property, and went to the workshop to work on my framebuild with him. Between us, in a little less than a week, we had a completely aero Columbus SL/SP Henry James lugged roadframe made(while he attended to his own builds too), all cables run inside the frame tubes. It has a wishbone rear end, and very limited tire clearance(a Del Mundo won't turn well !). I still have the bike, decked out mostly with NR, it is back in Ca in storage.
=====
Neill Currie, Portland, Me 04102, USA.
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