Re: [CR]Track ENDS/Nutted Fasteners

(Example: Events:Cirque du Cyclisme:2002)

Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:12:56 -0800
Subject: Re: [CR]Track ENDS/Nutted Fasteners
From: "Terence Shaw" <terence@shawscycles.com>
To: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>, Warren & Elizabeth <warbetty@sympatico.ca>
Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <20020328143747.99605.qmail@web10903.mail.yahoo.com>


on 3/28/02 6:37 AM, Tom Dalton at tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> And now mine...
> Whatever Curt Harnett and Marty Nothstein prefer is probably based on the
> established standards for track racing. I may be totally wrong on this one
> (really) but I have the impression that QR skewers, properly adjusted, exert
> more force on the dropout face than track axle nuts, properly torqued. This
> may just be some theoretical gibberish based on thread pitches and cam
> profiles that totally breaks down becasue it doesn't account for various
> frictional forces, the area of contact between fastener and frame and so on,
> but I have read (in more than oine place) that QRs grip better. As I recall,
> this discussion was always in the context of arguements surrounding yet
> another QR product liability suit. In any event, I can see where elastic
> deformation of the skewer itself may be significant enough to cause a wheel to
> let go under extreme loads. But, while Marty may exert three (okay, five)
> times the force on the pedal that the rest of us do, I'll speculate that many
> of us are just as likely as he is to pull a wheel due to the extreme loads
> allowed by the 24x32 gearing on our touring bikes.
> Tom Dalton
> Bethlehem, PA
> Warren & Elizabeth <warbetty@sympatico.ca> wrote: My turn to speculate...
>
> First, they are track ends, not dropouts. Nutted axles are perceived to be
> stronger than quick release although there appear to many riders who say
> QR's are sufficient. Try selling that to Curt Harnett and Marty Nothstein.
>
> CR content...on many of the older fixed road bikes , axle retainers were
> used in conjunction with track ends, providing the ultimate in wheel
> security. They also make chain tension and wheel alignment a cinch. Yes
> they are a pain when changing a flat but who thinks about that when they go
> out for a ride.
>
> Warren Young
> Toronto
>
>
>
> A follow up to the drop out question.
>>
>> Why are the wheels on fixed gear/track bicycles
>> attached with nutted fasteners rather than quick release type skewers used
>> on road bicycles?
>>
>> Track/Fixed gear rear wheel attachment seems to be distinctly different
>> from a road,but the front seems to be the same.
>>
>
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> http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous All- I agree, a quality quick release in the locked position both more convienient and more(I firmly belive) secure than an axle nut. Years ago I ran my touring bike with Campy track axles. The nuts (especially on the front) continually vibrated loose. However as an experienced track rider I've bounced my front wheel off of too many competitors bikes during races that I would relish a fat target like a QR lever. QR end loads high enough to secure the wheel distort the hollow axle enough to bind the hub. Try mounting a bare QR hub (sans spokes/rim) in a frame and close the quick release. Unless the hub is adjusted with side play it will bind. It has to be worse when the rider is sitting on the bike. To a trackie the smoother running traditional track set up (imagined or real) is faster.
    My very classic 1975 Holdsworth Pro Sprint now used only as a road fix gear has non traditional quick release...who wants to carry a "peanut butter" wrench! T. Shaw Santa Clara, California