Greg:
I'd have to elevate you to the sphere of the fellow who has the racing bikes and the ex-competition BB. I don't think there are many like you.
Re: Mr. Chinetti, just trying to make a point that even Mr. Chinetti saw beyond the nice Alfas and Ferrari's he was involved with. Same re: Mr. Pininfarina.
I joined this list to have fun and increase my knowledge of nice old bikes, not get under anyone's skin. No offense intended!!!
Drop me a note off list re: your Ferrari, would like to hear about it, if you are not mad at me, I have a genuine interest in collectible cars, including Ferrari's!
Stan Staniszewski
Clinton Twp., MI
> Stan:
>
> Methinks thou doest protest too much!
>
> Name-dropping whilst spitting out sour grapes perhaps?
>
> You don't see the connection between Ferrari and Campagnolo? Hello!
Ferraris
> used Campy wheels fer cryin' out loud!
>
> I sure didn't interpret Chuck's post the way you seem to have interpreted
it!
>
> Hate to burst your bubble, but I've got: A) a licensed, street-driven red
> vintage Ferrari sitting in stall #3, and B) several vintage lightweight
> racing bicycles from many nations hanging in the basement shop to choose
> from for this weekend's Mother's Day ride. (No, I'm not a millionaire, and
I
> didn't inherit any money) My waist is 32", I weigh 160 lbs., and I play
both
> indoor and outdoor coed over-30 (sometimes over-40 when there's a team)
> soccer just for "kicks."
>
> Sorry dude.
>
> Please refrain from putting others down and using stereotypes on this
list.
> See also my previous post re: inclusionary vs. exclusionary behavior.
>
> Good day.
>
> Greg Parker
> A2 MI USA
>
>
> Stan S. wrote:
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 20:00:51 -0400
> > From: Stan <531guy@comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [CR]using classic bicycles, well?
> > To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > I also see road racing bikes as a seperate entity.
> >
> > I don't see the comparison between road racing bikes and road racing
cars.
> > The theory, "if my Cinelli/Masi/etc. was a car, it would be a Ferrari"
is
> > ponderous at least. Maybe a small cc racing motorcycle is about the
> > farthest stretch I might imagine, and not even then. My albeit limited
> > experience with exotic foreign cars of the 50's-early 70's (non racing
cars)
> > has shown me that they are very heavy to handle, especially at low
speed,
> > and much more like a heavy paper bike with a big motor, than a light and
> > responsive (human powered) road racing bike.
> >
> > If you would give up the possibility of ever riding a bike again to have
> > your dream Ferrari and drive it instead, I'd say you made a very bad
choice.
> >
> > What is this fascination with Ferrari's anyway? Granted there are some
nice
> > Ferrari's but they are far from being the ultimate car in the opinion of
> > many of those knowledgeable about cars. I have a friend who knew Luigi
> > Chinetti (winning race car driver and North American importer for
Ferrari)
> > in the early 60's. When Chinetti had visitors, he would take them to
see
> > the great car collection of Dr. Sam Scher in N.Y., these were not
Ferrari's!
> > At this time, (my friend relates) Mr. Chinetti was driving a Ford
station
> > wagon, and it wasn't even new.
> >
> > I had dinner with Andrea Pininfarina, (Sergio's son), about 20 years ago
and
> > although he was interested in F1 racing, he was far and away most
interested
> > in riding his BMW motorcycle.
> >
> > As far as Ferrari owners having racing bikes... I've seen a number of
car
> > collections over the years, many which included Ferrari's and have met a
few
> > enthusiasts who have been "high-end model" new Ferrari consumers. I
don't
> > remember seeing bicycles (save those belonging to their children) in
their
> > garages, and not motorcycles either. Most (not all) of these original
and
> > second hand "high-end model" Ferrari owners I've seen, have had larger
> > waistlines, which matched their pocketbooks.
> >
> > I only know one person that has an ex-competition Ferrari, that also has
> > racing bikes, and that rides and enjoys them. He is in the extreme
minority
> > I believe.
> >
> > There is also a group of folks having come into some money, that have to
> > have the best of everything, cars, bikes, motorcycles, etc. often
knowing
> > very little about them, or because they are the "prestige" items to own.
> > This is a modern phenomenon, and I'm not sure that they fit into the
> > equation.
> >
> > I like to think of the original owners of high-end Italian/other bikes
as
> > having the nice bikes and a bike rack on their Fiat/economy car. The
nice
> > bike was very much appreciated. This I think is much closer to reality.
> >
> > When I was in Northern Italy up around Cortina in 1997 there was a local
> > bike race going on. I watched an older gentleman, I would guess in his
> > early 70's, make a steep climb at the already high altitude, and in
about 80
> > degree weather. This was very impressive!!! If Gilles Villeneuve had
come
> > out of the grave and driven by me in an F1 Ferrari it would not have
> > impressed me nearly as much. I doubt that old cyclist ever sat in a
> > Ferrari, all the better for him.
> >
> > Stan Staniszewski
> > Clinton Twp., MI
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CR]using classic bicycles, well?
> >
> >
> > > I came from a _total_ obsession with cars from the time I got a
driver's
> > > license at 16 to a _total_ obsession with racing bicycles when I
started
> > > riding at 32 in 1976 (you do the math). I was particularly fascinated
> > > with Formula 1 race cars.
> > >
> > > The first thing that struck me then was that all racing bikes were
> > > streetable, while Formula 1 cars were not. I was really tickled that
I
> > > could ride and afford these totally cost is no object state of the art
> > > racing bikes, and do daily errands with them if I liked.
> > >
> > > Of course, the by product of leaving the car culture behind was that
the
> > > engine sitting on the bike improved over the ensuing years with daily
> > > use. Something that can't be said for car use.
> > >
> > > And I love to kid my motorcycle friends that their reduced to bare
> > > essentials machines have an extra motor that is going to waste sitting
> > > on the saddle.
> > >
> > > Chuck Schmidt
> > > South Pasadena, Southern California