Re: [CR]snubbed by the experts

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From: "J.Dunn" <>
To: "Neill Currie" <>, <>
References: <>
Subject: Re: [CR]snubbed by the experts
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:05:58 -0800

That's a real sad story, Neill, but it still doesn't obligate anyone to sell you *anything*. I don't know where you came up with this *right* to decals, but you are way, way off base by calling folks that we all know to be reputable business people greedy and unscrupulous because you aren't getting your own way.

Yes, it's a free country and I use my delete button freely, but a person doesn't know that someone is going to be downright insulting until you've read the post. If you can't express yourself in a civil manner this is the wrong list.

And your analogy of Lexus decals is absurd. Anyone can get those Lexus decals anywhere. When it comes to bicycles, as has been exhaustively pointed out to you, many times these decals and stickers are rare. If a frame refinisher has only a few sets why should he/she give them to you for a few bucks? Hmmm? Why?

I normally am aligned with many of your posts/opinions, but this time I just have to use my freedom of speech to let you know that I think that you have been rude and abrasive on a list that considers other list members friends. In fact, I'll go as far as to say you're acting like a friggin' crybaby because you can't get what you want. Grow up.

John Dunn in Boise

----- Original Message -----
From: Neill Currie
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:13 PM
Subject: [CR]snubbed by the experts

> Neill Currie wrote:
> > Seems to me, that the lure of the $$ is a wee
> bit
> > stronger than the desire to run a scrupulous
> > business, in this case.
> Some of the businesses and individuals you slur
> here are respected CR list
> members, so whether your opinions are valid or
> not, your tone is
> inappropriate. I feel you should apologize and
> refrain from such slurs on
> the list in the future.
> By the way, I am not a frame refinisher, I'm a
> guy who wishes I could buy
> any rare decals I want without paying for a full
> paint job. Wouldn't that
> be nice? I wish I had a million dollars, too.
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle, Wa
> ---------------
> I made no slur, and I expressed myself in a
> fashion that I think is very pertinent and
> appropriate. I am sorry that you seem to be so
> hurt by my openly-expressed viewpoint. In future,
> please bear in mind that it is a free country,
> and that no-one is forcing you to read what I
> write. There is a "delete" key.
> Let me tell you the exact circumstances behind
> the need for a decal I had.
> I have a Mountain Goat "Deluxe". The decal on the
> downtube was damaged, about 2 letters of it were
> missing from carrying it in the trunk of my car.
> All over the rest of the bike were perfect,
> pristine decals showing that the bike was what it
> is, they are pretty distinctive bikes as well,
> and I have the Goat catalog which shows the
> frameset of that year in all its glory.
> I called a large cycle restoration business,
> explained the situation......that I wanted to
> replace just the one decal. Everything else about
> the finish being fine. Spoke with one of the
> owners in fact.
> (paraphrasing, from memory)"Sorry, we can't
> supply a decal without a full repaint." More
> checking, verbally, by me to make sure I was
> hearing correctly, I further explained the extent
> and limit of my need, still no budging, but I did
> find that I could get a full repaint, with
> decals, for $350+.
> I am aware that I may make some people unhappy
> with my opinion again, but I think this whole
> decal thing is well over the top and unnecessary.
> About the closest analogy I can come up with, is
> being refused a hood decal/ornament for my 5
> year-old Lexus after someone took it, unless I
> got a full repaint at an accredited dealership.
> =====
> The Bicyclist formerly known as Neill Currie, Portland, Me 04102, USA.
> The Mountain Goat website is at:
> Mountain Goat Frameset or complete bike still wanted, 20 to 21.5 inches c to t, other goatish stuff also wanted.
> Mountain Goat Mailing list is at:
> I have repro Mountain Goat decal sets for sale.