RE: [CR]what fashioned the choice of bikes for cycling enthusiast s from Japan

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From: "John Price" <jprice@2-10.com>
To: 'Brandon Ives' <monkeylad@mac.com>, ben kamen <ko_te_jebe@mac.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: RE: [CR]what fashioned the choice of bikes for cycling enthusiast s from Japan
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:53:38 -0600


Being a student (of sorts) of Japanese culture what Brandon says rings true to what I've heard and discovered to. It's a very neat mentality (to me anyway) that the Japanese culture has toward arts & crafts, old and new. So many of their every day things are very artistic and items that we'd place in museums are used (but lovingly). I can see how classic bikes from Confente, Alex Singer, Rene Herse... would be cherished (and used) there.

But what about the reverse ? How hard is it to get/find classic Japanese bikes such as Toei over here. And what are some of the better but lesser known Japanese bikes. Several have heard of Yamaguchi, San Rensho (3Rensho), Zulo... But until I got on this list I'd never heard of Toei (which looks a lot like an Alex Singer). What others are there ?

John "I love Japanese culture" Price Denver, CO

-----Original Message----- From: Brandon Ives [mailto:monkeylad@mac.com] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:41 AM To: ben kamen; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]what fashioned the choice of bikes for cycling enthusiasts from Japan

My good buddy Ken Nakajo in Portland, Oregon has a huge pile of a Japanese cycling magazine called (I think) "Bicycle Sport." In this magazine each month they have a big article of a "classic" bike or builder of some kind. This article is right next to a review of the newest high-zoot off-road bouncy bike. The Japanese as a culture don't see a big divide between the past and a present. History is part of the present and this allows people to think that "old" bikes are just as interesting as "new" bikes. Also Japan has a long tradition of craftsmanship and quality is a very important of hand made goods. Lastly is something that is sometimes referred to as the "hand of the artist" where the little details are very important. If you notice the items bought by the Japanese collectors they really are rarer items and usually small builder bikes. Lastly, I also don't think you're seeing the "regular" Japanese collector when you look at ebay. I think you're seeing the more well off collectors who can not only pay top dollar for items but also the really high shipping rates to Japan.

enjoy,
Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
Throwing down coffee and heading
to work in Santa Barbara, Calif.