Re: [CR]Masi did not like Cinelli? but liked Reynolds...

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:38:56 -0400
From: "Joe Bender-Zanoni" <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Masi did not like Cinelli? but liked Reynolds...
To: rocklube@adnc.com, scott davis <francopedia@yahoo.com>
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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Brian,

Could you give your opinion of Falck (right spelling I think) and Vitus 973? All these tubings (Reynolds 531, Columbus SL, Falck and Vitus) seem quite similar with minor differences in guages and diameters here and there. Falck is interesting because the Cinelli Model B and the Frejus Tour de France second line bikes used it and both these bikes seem to be of quite nice quality generally.

Frejus used some special shaped tubing on their track bikes. Oversized fork blades and chainstays that flared out to oversize on their track bikes. I remember a sort of dragonfly logo stamped on the fork blades. Was that Falck?

Also the Frejus catalog showed either 531 or Columbus as options but I have not seen a pre-1970 Frejus Pro with Columbus.

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch NJ


----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Baylis
To: scott davis
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]Masi did not like Cinelli? but liked Reynolds...



> Scott,
>
> In the 50's everyone including the Italians considered Reynolds tubing
> to be the best. By the late 60's I'm pretty sure that opinion was at
> least even. The late Masi Specials are all Columbus tubing. The first
> few years (late 69 to about 1971) Masi GC's were built with a Reynolds
> 531 main triangle and Culumbus forks and stays. By 1972 Italian built
> GC's were either all Columbus or all Reynolds and they run about 50/50
> on which from all of the 1927 and early 1973 Italian made GC's. All of
> the Carlsbad Masis were full 531 EXCEPT anything built to special order
> like a track frame or a bike for someone "special" in which case they
> (Mario) used Columbus tubing.
>
> My 1962 Masi Special is 531 main tubes and either Columbus or Faulk
> tubing in the forks and stays; I think it's Faulk. I also have here
> right now about a 1965 Masi Special which is completely built from Faulk
> tubing. There are several variations in Masi; I have also seen exactly
> these variations in Cinellis of these same periods. The oldest Colnago
> that I've seen (the one I have now) is 1970 and is obviously completely
> Columbus. Colnagos have always been Columbus so far as I know.
>
> That should keep everyone guessing for a while. My feeling is that early
> on Reynolds was the "nazz", but sometime in the early 60's the tide
> began to change. By the time I began to build frames in the early 70's
> both were considered excellent but Columbus had some "mystique" that
> Reynolds did not have amongst us West Coasters here in the south. Now my
> feeling is both are great but if I were to have to make a choice for the
> "best overall frame tubing of all time" I'd go with Reynolds 531.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> Speaking of Columbus tubing, I just rescued a bunch of it today! This
> stuff might have made it's way to the scrapyard had I not taken the day
> off to save it. A little TLC and some preserative and this stuff will be
> bike frames some day.