[CR]Re: GITANE TDF

(Example: Framebuilding:Paint)

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:13:22 -0700
From: "ROBERT L. FREITAS" <freitas1@pacbell.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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Subject: [CR]Re: GITANE TDF

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> 1. RE: Masi tubing stickers (Mark Bulgier)
> 2. Re: Masi tubing stickers (Chuck Schmidt)
> 3. Ebay outing (David Blight)
> 4. Re: Tubing (Todd Teachout)
> 5. Re: Now:Reynolds Was:Masi did not like Cinelli? but liked Rey
> nolds... (Brian Baylis)
> 6. Re: Sturmey parts/service Questions (joel metz, ifbma/sfbma)
> 7. Re: Masi tubing stickers (DAVIDTESCH@aol.com)
> 8. Re: Masi tubing stickers (DAVIDTESCH@aol.com)
> 9. Thought you might like the photos. (REClassicBikes@aol.com)
> 10. FS Bob Jackson Gold plated (REClassicBikes@aol.com)
> 11. Another Beesone Masi on Ebay (LouDeeter@aol.com)
> 12. Ride quality..don't forget tubes! (Mark Poore)
> 13. Re: does it get anymore classic? (ahhh those were the days !!) (RaleighPro531@aol.com)
> 14. Re: Another Beesone Masi on Ebay (LouDeeter@aol.com)
> 15. RE: More intersting stuff on Ebay (John Price)
> 16. Herse brakes (was Herse on e-bay) (Jan Heine)
> 17. Re: Masi did not like... liked (NortonMarg@aol.com)
> 18. Re: Re: Tubing (Takao Noda)
> 19. Re: Sturmey parts/service Questions (nelson miller)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]Masi tubing stickers
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:37:42 -0700
>
> I wrote about Reynolds fork blade ovals:
> > Reynolds used the name Continental to denote the *skinny* oval
> > (the classic Reynolds oval of yore), and their version of the
> > fat Columbus-style oval was called "New Continental Oval" or NCO.
>
> Have y'all heard of the sport of Googlewhacking? The goal is to craft a
> query on Google.com that returns exactly one hit - pretty hard to do, as
> you'll usually get zero or many thousands.
>
> Well, my search for "new continental oval" (including the quotes) whacked
> the Google, returning only the following link:
> http://www.btinternet.com/~merciancycleslimited/pages/kom_racing.html
>
> Apparently not even Reynolds mentions the term anymore, at least not on the
> web.
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle, Wa
> USA
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:42:58 -0700
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi tubing stickers
>
> Mark Bulgier wrote:
> >
> > I wrote about Reynolds fork blade ovals:
> > > Reynolds used the name Continental to denote the *skinny* oval
> > > (the classic Reynolds oval of yore), and their version of the
> > > fat Columbus-style oval was called "New Continental Oval" or NCO.
> >
> > Have y'all heard of the sport of Googlewhacking? The goal is to craft a
> > query on Google.com that returns exactly one hit - pretty hard to do, as
> > you'll usually get zero or many thousands.
> >
> > Well, my search for "new continental oval" (including the quotes) whacked
> > the Google, returning only the following link:
> > http://www.btinternet.com/~merciancycleslimited/pages/kom_racing.html
> >
> > Apparently not even Reynolds mentions the term anymore, at least not on the
> > web.
>
> Without going to my Reynolds catalogs... Didn't the Reynolds SL tube
> set from the mid/late 1970s include for the first time the fork blades
> that mimicked the Columbus oval fork blades. Or were they introduced
> with 753?
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> SoPas, SoCal
>
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>
> Message: 3
> From: "David Blight" <davidblight@rya-online.net>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:10:46 +0100
> Subject: [CR]Ebay outing
>
> Dear list members
>
> I have some items listed under my Ebay name of Bikepacker which may be =
> of interest to members.
>
> These include a new Lucas Silver King dynamo lighting set in its =
> original 1950s presentation box, two Campag chainsets (one a 151BCD =
> Pista), a Mansfield North Road saddle, a 27.2 Super Record seatpin, a =
> Super Record rear gear and the Whitcomb and Bates BAR frames I offered =
> to the list a while back. These items have been on the list for a few =
> days and finish Sunday and I apologies for not letting the list know =
> earlier but I have been having problems with email .
> =20
> Happy hunting!
>
> David Blight
> In Exeter Devon, UK where the sun is shining at last.
> =20
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:11:26 -0700
> From: Todd Teachout <thteach@community.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Tubing
>
> My understanding is that the chainstay tubing on old Frejus' that had a
> dragonfly in a triangle trademark is called LaBelle. I have a Frejus
> Track Frame sporting such chainstays as well as Falk main Tubes and
> fork. What I don't know is whether it is top tier or second tier
> frame. Build Quality is great but it is a bit heavy ( as would be
> expected in a sprinters frame). Does anyone know if Frejus created a
> second tier track bike frame? I'm speculating that market forces
> created an impetus to switch materials from Falk and LaBelle to Reynolds
> and Columbus.
>
> How come no discussion about Mansmann tubing? Any German or Swiss
> artisan bikes built up with this material?
>
> On another topic do any listmembers have Gitane Catalogs from 1973 to
> 1975. I have Gitane bike that is equipped like a Tour de France Model
> (stronglight 93, Simplex Criterium Deraillers, simplex post, Normandy
> Hubs)but the frame is very un-Tour de France like. It is a solid orange
> color (without chrome) has a newer decal graphic than the foil graphics
> of the classic tour de france frame and has atypical seat stay caps.
> They are wrap arounds but the cap appears to be a separate top plate
> with a visible edge over the stay tube (a la a 1964 Anquetil Gitane as
> illustrated by Rebour). The classic tour de france seat stay "cap"
> looks like it was the carefully notched, then crimped, then brazed
> together tube itself. The frame lugs are italian style long point (not
> sure if nervex or prugnat). The crown is a nervex pro. the dropout are
> simplex forged. The bike has no tubing decals and I've never seen
> another one like it. Hoping a catalog from the requested year might
> help me verify its age. The brake bridge also sport those reinforcement
> plates.
>
> Todd Teachout
> Hercules, CA
>

GITANE TDF

I can only speak about the 71-72 vintage because I only worked at that bike shop for the 2 years. Frames were 531 but as you allude to flexy as heck,SIMPLEX ends with chrome rear stays and fork ends., I do not remember the seatpost though,rear stays were the wraparound style with the cap piece making an edge.I do not remember orange but do remember white ,metallic blue and also a nice metallic green.hubs were always CAMPI TIPO.Some bikes came with SUGINO MIGHTY cranks as well as the STRONGLIGHTS (they were freely interchanged with no rhyme or reason) First bikes we got were from an independant distributor(WILGO in SAN JOSE,CA) while later the bikes came directly from GITANE There was an "INTER CLUB" model that I remember as the basic model bike with sewups added( track model also)

BOB FREITAS MILL VALLEY,CA pre48 PARAMOUNT TRACK 1980 HOLDSWORTH SPECIAL 1980 CINELLI SUPER CORSA 1981 JACK TAYLOR 1975 FOLLIS TANDEM still wish I had that BIANCHI TEAM ISSUE I sold for $150 years ago


>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:19:02 -0700
> From: Brian Baylis <rocklube@adnc.com>
> Reply-To: rocklube@adnc.com
> To: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Now:Reynolds Was:Masi did not like Cinelli? but liked Rey
> nolds...
>
> Mark,
>
> I don't know when the "color change" happened with Reynolds 531 but
> funny you should mention it because I was talking to Jimmy Thomson this
> evening and I mentioned all this old tubing I ran into lately. He asked
> me if there was any difference between the older Reynolds and the newer
> stuff. My reply was "I really don't know if there is a difference, but I
> prefer the older tubes, the stuff with the blackish finish. It makes me
> fell "good" and like I'm a kid again".
>
> Obviously Mark has supplied the technical reason that older Reynolds
> tubing gives me that warm fuzzy feeling. I guess I'm too scientific for
> my own good! ;-o
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:48:53 -0700
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: "joel metz, ifbma/sfbma" <magpie@messengers.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Sturmey parts/service Questions
>
> >I have what I thought was a Sturmey alloy 5 speed. It turns out on cleaning
> >that it says 3 speed. There are numbers "56 10" (I presume means Nov.
> >1956). My questions are:
> >1) Are the internal gear ratios the same on the alloy as the steel hubs?
>
> assuming were talking AW, yep, they are.
>
> >2) Does anyone know a source for those 3 or 4 speed clusters that fit where
> >the single cog goes?
> >3) Is there a cogset that is any better (ratio-wise) than any other?
>
> those 3 cog stacks are hard to come by. but! you can, however,
> stack two sturmey cogs on one hub, bulge portions together
> (with a thinner than normal spacer between), and snap the circlip
> on. thats how i usually run mine for touring with any real climbing
> involved - 2 sets of gears that way - one for flats, and one for
> climbing... manual gear change, but it only takes a minute once
> you have it down.
>
> >4) Anyone service these things? In an ill fated attempt to remove the axle,
> >some little thing went flying and I never found it. No idea what it was, but
> >I figure it was probably necessary.
>
> id put my money on it being the spring cap - little bit that goes
> on top of the clutch spring, with reasonable odds of being
> ejected by said part upon disassembly...not absolutely
> neccessary... ive run hubs without them, and some aw diagrams
> dont show them.
>
> as for places that service them, i dunno - i do all my own work,
> but im not confident enough to say ill work on someone elses :)
> can definitely provide parts locally, though, from my stash of
> dissected old aws... pedal revolution and american cyclery
> (both in sf) i know to have various spares.
>
> -joel
>
> --
> joel metz : magpie@messengers.org : http://www.blackbirdsf.org/
> bike messengers worldwide : ifbma : http://www.messengers.org/
> po box 191443 san francisco ca 94119-1443 usa
> ==
> i know what innocence looks like - and it wasn't there,
> after she got that bicycle...
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: DAVIDTESCH@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:07:08 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi tubing stickers
> To: mark@bulgier.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> The terms continental and new continental are the only terms I was ever aware
> of, and never heard of any one "ignoring" that terminology. As for finish and
> accuracy, I just looked at a brand new set on Sunday, it did not look as
> though it had "gone downhill" at all.
> Dave Tesch
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: DAVIDTESCH@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:21:05 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi tubing stickers
> To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> New continental oval blades were available before 753, as far as when the
> continental oval blades went out of production, I do not know that they have,
> nor was I aware that "Google .com" was the final word on fork blade issues. I
> don't really like the look of the continental oval blades, but if you
> understand their purpose, they are kind of neat. Also, I like the twin plate
> crown, and those fork blades, and that crown are a great combination.
> Dave Tesch
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: REClassicBikes@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:07:53 EDT
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Thought you might like the photos.
>
> The photos are on ebay, so this is really a shameless plug, but still worth a
> look! Item number: 2114307263
>
> Regards
> Martin Coopland, in a "will it ever stop raining" Scotland.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: REClassicBikes@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:00:19 EDT
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]FS Bob Jackson Gold plated
>
> A very special Bob Jackson, built in the 1980s, this frame was a special
> edition. 223/4" seat tube with a 221/4" top tube. Reynolds 531.
>
> Fancy hand cut lugs, the head lugs, fork crown and chainstay are gold plated,
> the rest is painted white, with black lug lining. The frame has been built up
> with a late 80s Mavic groupset, but has only done a couple of hundred miles
> and is in immaculate condition. It is for sale as a full bike or could be
> sold as a frame.
>
> The bike would sell for $1100, the frame and forks only would be $740.
> Shipping at cost depending on what you buy. Photos are available.
>
> Regards
> Martin Coopland
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: LouDeeter@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:32:53 EDT
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Another Beesone Masi on Ebay
>
> Matteo posted a 52cm Masi Gran Criterium on ebay last night. Chromed stays
> and fork make this one much different from the GCs I've seen. Nice
> pantographed crankset too. http://ebay.com/<blah>
> item=1837571031
>
> Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>
>
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>
> Message: 12
> From: "Mark Poore" <rauler47@hotmail.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:10:42 -0400
> Subject: [CR]Ride quality..don't forget tubes!
>
> Just love all the topics covered here lately. And while my interest are with
> what I grew up on, race bikes (mainly Italian road and Paramount track), I
> have developed an interest beyond those bikes from my involvement with you
> folks. Two years ago I had no interest in a bike with racks and such, then I
> see Chris B.'s beautiful Phil Brown and it stirs my interest to the point I
> am on the hunt for such a bike. Thanks to all who have given so much
> diversity to the group.
>
> Now to the subject matter. Brain B. wrote "Don't like
> the way your bike rides, look into your wheels and tires first!". This is
> the quickest way to enhance the ride or select any term you would like to
> use for the other end of the spectrum to describe a sluggish, dead or
> non-responsive ride. But if one is riding clinchers don't over look the
> tubes. A regular old Kenda type tube is a good way of limiting the
> performance of a quality wheelset and/or tires. Go for some quality light
> tubes if you are looking to enhance the ride even more. I forget exactly the
> numbers, but years ago I read where about a half of a pound rotating weight
> in the wheels is like adding 9 pounds to your bike as far as the energy it
> takes to keep it moving. The other thing to consider is that when climbing
> or maneuvering, say as in a pack or around other riders or obstacles is that
> those wheels are gyroscopes and the less rotational weight there is the
> easier it is to tip the axis making the bike feel more lively and
> responsive.
>
> The NORBA big boys and girls are now rolling in for the race and many of the
> cross country racers now can be seen out on the road training.
>
> Mark, where they are calling for low 70's and humidity all this week, Poore
>
> Slatyfork, WV
>
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>
> Message: 13
> From: RaleighPro531@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:41:07 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]does it get anymore classic? (ahhh those were the days !!)
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 6/17/2002 1:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ko_te_jebe@mac.com writes:
>
> > some of you may have seen this pic but if not
> > http://idisk.mac.com/dupe/Public/screensaver/smaller.jpg
> >
> >
>
> Thanks Ben.
> Next time I look at some old Campy parts with scratches and scrapes I can
> ponder if the piece was wounded when the bike fell over from the tree it was
> perched against; or is it truly a "battle scar"?
>
> Pete "Peloton Paranoid" Geurds
> Douglassville, PA
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:51:08 -0400
> From: LouDeeter@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Another Beesone Masi on Ebay
>
> > Matteo posted a 52cm Masi Gran Criterium on ebay last night. Chromed stays
> > and fork make this one much different from the GCs I've seen. Nice
> > pantographed crankset too.
> > http://ebay.com/<blah>
> > item=1837571031
>
> I asked Matteo about the serial number and he says V54, so sounds like an Italian made model--Verona (anybody know who the contract builder might have been? Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> From: John Price <jprice@2-10.com>
> To: 'David Benson' <tech@worrall.co.nz>,
> Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]More intersting stuff on Ebay
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:06:29 -0600
>
> Drat - the Rigi is just too big ! Interesting bike though - I remember an
> article in a Bicycling magazine about a collector that had something like 8
> of those bikes.
>
> Maybe I'll just bid on that Rene Herse Dale emailed us about it - think I
> can get it for $500 ? ;^)
>
> John Price
> Denver, CO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Benson [mailto:tech@worrall.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:42 PM
> To: Classic Rendezvous
> Subject: [CR]More intersting stuff on Ebay
>
> Erickson
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> Gazelle cross bike
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> Rigi
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:34:36 -0700
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> From: Jan Heine <heine@mindspring.com>
> Subject: [CR]Herse brakes (was Herse on e-bay)
>
> Except that Herse brakes require different braze-ons from the Mafacs
> currently on the bike... I have only seen Mafac cantis on an Herse
> bike (a 1957 tandem, to be specific) that were "redone" by different
> craftspeople, like Singer. But of course, if somebody ordered them, I
> am sure Herse would have made the bike for them.
>
> Jan Heine, Seattle
>
> >Message: 22
> >From: Mark Bulgier <mark@bulgier.net>
> >To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: RE: [CR]Herse on Ebay...
> >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:58:00 -0700
> >
> >
> >Dale points out:
> >
> >> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >>
> >> Shall we start a betting pool on the final selling price of
> >> this tasty tidbit?
> >
> >And there's some bitchin' RH brakes for it at
> >http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >
> >Currently at only $566 (with about 6 days to go)
> >
> >Mark Bulgier
> >Seattle, Wa
> >USA
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> From: NortonMarg@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:58:14 EDT
> Subject: Re: [CR]Masi did not like... liked
> To: rocklube@adnc.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> In a message dated 6/17/02 10:43:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> rocklube@adnc.com writes:
>
> << My opinions are not to do with the "ride" of
> the frame per se. My opinions have to do with what my customers say
> about what I build for them. What I think of my frame does * matter in the
> least. How my customer feels about their frame is the ONLY thing that
> matters. My experience has been that with careful selection of tubes and
> an experienced designer/craftsman on the other end of the torch and
> file an excellent frame can be made in any size. >> *not?
>
> I agree completely! To clarify my prior post: I can personally do a decent
> riding evaluation (whatever that means) of frames in the 23" to 26" range.
> Beyond that, I can't get a good position and the weight distribution isn't
> "right" for me to be the best at evaluating it. As Brian rightly states,
> using educated judgment allows a good builder to come up with something right
> for the customer of any size. I guess my point was (is) that the education
> STARTS with riding bikes our own size and in a way that is always a little
> closer to home, as it's direct experience.
> Stevan Thomas
> Alameda, CA
>
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>
> Message: 18
> From: "Takao Noda" <tanoda@d1.dion.ne.jp>
> To: "Todd Teachout" <thteach@community.net>,
> "Classic Bike List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Tubing
> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:11:06 +0900
>
> I failed to read the original mail to which you responded but I am happy to
> get the information of La Belle. My Learco Guerra 1950 has the fork blades
> with a dragonfly in a triangle. Would you give me more information about La
> Belle ? Was it an Italian maker?
> Takao Noda
> Hachioji Tokyo Japan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Todd Teachout" <thteach@community.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:11 PM
> Subject: [CR]Re: Tubing
>
> > My understanding is that the chainstay tubing on old Frejus' that had a
> > dragonfly in a triangle trademark is called LaBelle. I have a Frejus
> > Track Frame sporting such chainstays as well as Falk main Tubes and
> > fork. What I don't know is whether it is top tier or second tier
> > frame. Build Quality is great but it is a bit heavy ( as would be
> > expected in a sprinters frame). Does anyone know if Frejus created a
> > second tier track bike frame? I'm speculating that market forces
> > created an impetus to switch materials from Falk and LaBelle to Reynolds
> > and Columbus.
> >
> > How come no discussion about Mansmann tubing? Any German or Swiss
> > artisan bikes built up with this material?
> >
> > Todd Teachout
> > Hercules, CA
> >
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 19
> From: "nelson miller" <nelsmiller@msn.com>
> To: magpie@messengers.org, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Sturmey parts/service Questions
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:23:37 -0700
>
> Val at Bikesmith in Seattle is very good with repair and cleaning of Sturmey Hubs.... (206) 632-3102{}{} No Relation--- Nelson Miller--- Seattle
>
> {}From: "joel metz, ifbma/sfbma"
>
> {}To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
> {}Subject: Re: [CR]Sturmey parts/service Questions
>
> {}Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:48:53 -0700
>
> {}
>
> {}{}I have what I thought was a Sturmey alloy 5 speed. It turns out on
>
> {}{}cleaning
>
> {}{}that it says 3 speed. There are numbers "56 10" (I presume means
>
> {}{}Nov.
>
> {}{}1956). My questions are:
>
> {}{}1) Are the internal gear ratios the same on the alloy as the steel
>
> {}{}hubs?
>
> {}
>
> {}assuming were talking AW, yep, they are.
>
> {}
>
> {}{}2) Does anyone know a source for those 3 or 4 speed clusters that
>
> {}{}fit where
>
> {}{}the single cog goes?
>
> {}{}3) Is there a cogset that is any better (ratio-wise) than any
>
> {}{}other?
>
> {}
>
> {}those 3 cog stacks are hard to come by. but! you can, however,
>
> {} stack two sturmey cogs on one hub, bulge portions together
>
> {} (with a thinner than normal spacer between), and snap the circlip
>
> {} on. thats how i usually run mine for touring with any real
>
> {}climbing
>
> {} involved - 2 sets of gears that way - one for flats, and one for
>
> {} climbing... manual gear change, but it only takes a minute once
>
> {} you have it down.
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> {}
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> {}{}4) Anyone service these things? In an ill fated attempt to remove
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> {}{}the axle,
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> {}{}some little thing went flying and I never found it. No idea what it
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> {}{}was, but
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> {}{}I figure it was probably necessary.
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> {}
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> {}id put my money on it being the spring cap - little bit that goes
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> {} on top of the clutch spring, with reasonable odds of being
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> {} ejected by said part upon disassembly...not absolutely
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> {} neccessary... ive run hubs without them, and some aw diagrams
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> {} dont show them.
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> {}
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> {}as for places that service them, i dunno - i do all my own work,
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> {} but im not confident enough to say ill work on someone elses :)
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> {} can definitely provide parts locally, though, from my stash of
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> {} dissected old aws... pedal revolution and american cyclery
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> {} (both in sf) i know to have various spares.
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> {}
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> {}-joel
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> {}
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