Got quiet suddenly! Part of my point is that when you post, it's a broadcast to 600+ people. Think of that when you post and make it a worthwhile post. I just recently saw "Saving Private Ryan". OK, this is definitely not as serious, but if you've seen the movie, in one of the last scenes, the character played by Tom Hanks says to Ryan "earn it". I in no way want to discourage newbies from an introduction, or even something about a Bertin or Peugeot (to each his own, I LIKE the Masi, Campagnolo and Colnago threads), just please make it something WORTH sending to 600+ people, even if only 1% care or like it. And I LOVE all the literate quotes! By all means, participate...thoughtfully! To keep it on topic, did anyone see any paratrooper bikes? I didn't. Maybe we should petition Spielberg... Stevan "making a fool of himself" Thomas Alameda, CA