Re: [CR] French trials, frames don't last?

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From: "J.Dunn" <bikehunter@icehouse.net>
To: <NortonMarg@aol.com>, <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <14f.1029f7f9.2a52482a@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] French trials, frames don't last?
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:28:10 -0800


Doesn't this belong on the framebuilder's list?

e-JOHNNIE
Boise, ID


----- Original Message -----
From: NortonMarg@aol.com
To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] French trials, frames don't last?



> In a message dated 7/1/02 3:06:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> chuckschmidt@earthlink.net writes:
>
> << Never heard of a "soft" brazed joint on a steel bike... maybe an
> incompetently brazed joint, but never a soft one.
> >>
> Comments are reserved for old school tubing. If you get it too hot, a lot of
> the strength goes away. Columbus states in their catalogue that if you keep
> it to silver brazing temperature, the tubing only loses 5% of its strength. I
> had a brand new Eddy Merckx. I cannot begin to tell you how little effort it
> took to move the frame a lot! It wasn't the tubing. A silver brazed frame
> with the same tubes was a "mofo" to move. If you heat it enough, you ruin the
> steel. We could get technical and say it's from improper i.e., too rapid,
> cooling or any number of other things. My understanding is it isn't
> necessarily heat (within limits) but, time-at-temperature, that counts.
> That's why someone really good can build a strong frame using brass. It's
> hard to get that good joint quickly using brass.
> Stevan Thomas
> Alameda, CA