snipped: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> writes: At the risk of reinforcing bad patterns... I know that some people on this list feel that we focus a little too much on 1960's to 1980's Italian race bikes and particularly on Campy NR / SR parts. I do not wish to reinforce this sentiment. I really do want people to contribute more stuff about older bikes, about French, English, US, Japanese, Scottish, etcect. Ugghhh. Tom Dalton Bethlehem, PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ none of us were around before these years, so it's hard to opine on something we know nothing about. i think listees 'vote' with their subject headers; the same ol' threads keep recirculating for a reason. if it were possible to open up the list to folks with interests that go further back in time than ours do, i'd say, "let's do it." but the list IS open to these people and they are not posting. e-RICHIE Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA http://www.richardsachs.com