T:
You are essentially correct about the visual differences between the two lever styles, but I would personally find it difficult to tell the difference from a publicity/catalog shot.
With all additional due respect, in the end it matters not one whit what any catalog shows, as they were/are notoriously wrong. This we have discussed ad nauseam on CR in the past, particularly with respect to Campagnolo's catalogs. Campy used "cut-and-pasted" (with scissors, this is years BC* we're talkin') graphics for decades, for example, even though the product had changed. Additionally, the timing of the release of photographed catalogs often will require that less-than-full-Production parts be used for the photo shoot.
What really matters is what any particular Manufacturer actually produced and sold to the public in volume (we're not talking one-off protos. here either).
Personally, I never believe something just because I saw it in print. I always want real-world data.
Question to all 700-plus listmembers: has anyone on this list ever held in their hand a "long-reach" Super Record brake lever that measures 4mm from the top of the front logo border to the top of the lever stamping? If so, please come forward now or forever hold your peace....
(Dramatic pause...).
I rest my case.
Greg Parker A2 MI USA
*before computers
Tom D. wrote:
> Subject: Re: [CR] Of Campagnolo Brake Levers and their shapes
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>
> With all due respect, I think the giveaway is visible from virtually any
> angle. The major dimensional difference may be in the angle at the top of
> the blade, but the curves are different and the width of the blade is
> different. There was a Benotto catalog that also depicted a long-reach SR
> lever, I'll try to find a link.
> Tom Dalton
> Bethlehem, PA
> Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> wrote: delayed reply...
> greg's right. that's why i think the pic of the
> raleigh with sr levers is deceiving; the 'giveaway'
> is not visible from the perspective that the picture
> was shot in.
> e-RICHIE
> still in chesta'
>
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:10:46 EDT GPVB1@cs.com writes:
> > Also, the distance from the top of the logo border on the front of
> > the lever
> > stamping (weren't they stamped?) to the top of the lever is much less on
> the early lever, as
> > they
> > just left more material on the finished lever to make the later
> > style..... I
> > just measured a pair of each, and the distances are 4mm and 6.5 mm
> > respectively on the parts I checked. Very visible to the eye, even
> > more so if
> > you have one of each style to observe side by side.
> >
> > Personally, I've never seen early-type ("long-reach") Production SR
> > brake
> > levers. I'm fairly confident that they had made that change before
> > SR
> > debuted. Also, I assume folks know that the holes were pierced in
> > the SR
> > levers before forming, and that the SR lever is slightly heavier
> > than an "N"
> > R due to thicker material to make up for the weakening due to the
> > holes!!
> >
> > Greg Parker
> > A2 MI USA
> >
> >
> > From: Tom Dalton
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]Of Campagnolo Brake Levers and their shapes
> > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Like I said, maybe I'm just imagining this...
> > > But seriously, I think the difference is not at all subtle and can
> > be
> > > easily seen whether or not the lever is mounted in the body or the
> > body is
> > > on the bar, or whatever. The lower end of the older lever is more
> > pointy,
> > > the compound curve is more dramatic (like a higher amplitude sine
> > wave).
> > > Tom Dalton
> > > Bethlehem, PA
> >
> >
> >
> > > Richard M Sachs wrote: i don't think you
> > can tell
> > > the lever 'type' from the radius.
> > > the main giveaway is evident when the blade is
> > > not in the body; the shape of the casting at its
> > > uppermost point is very different.
> > > e-RICHIE
> > > chester...