R: [CR]Mystery Italian Frame?????

(Example: Framebuilders:Bernard Carré)

Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:55:54 -0500
From: "The Maaslands" <TheMaaslands@comcast.net>
Subject: R: [CR]Mystery Italian Frame?????
To: Classic Rendezvous <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Brian Baylis wrote:
> It's a bit dofficult to tell from the photos but my quess is it's an
> Ital Vega. It obviously has Italian BB threads or else they couldn't
> have put the BB in backwards. Furthermore, whoever did that decal job
> should be shot. This is not uncommon on eBay. Someone tries to give
> people an impression that is completely false. That bike is a POS with a
> bunch of nice parts hanging on it. That is shameless in my book. Whoever
> the "builder/restorer" of fine Italian bikes is that is presenting this
> stuff needs to cease.
>
> That bike is NOT a Cinelli. How on earth does someone debate that, it's
> way too obvious.

You are mixing up two threads. There is a first one where there is a fully equipped bike with Campagnolo decals and the wrongly threaded BB (see: http://ebay.com/<blah> you may be right that it could be an Italvega or other run of the mill Italian or pseudo-Italian bike. The second thread is related to another frame being sold (see: http://ebay.com/<blah> that Richard Sachs and Jim Merz are correct in guessing that this second one is a Windsor. This other frame does have a few Cinelli design hints. Lastly, to make things even more confusing, there is a third frame up for sale where the vendor makes allusions to Cinelli in their description (see: http://ebay.com/<blah> has a Cinelli-marked BB shell, a layman could be excused a link to Cinelli.

Steven

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