While enjoying a fabulous day on Bainbridge Island I stopped in at Classic Cycles and feasted my eyes on a REALLY nice Pegoretti (owned by Kevin Gosney) in Robin's Egg blue, all lugged, fastback seat cluster a la Raleigh Pro, downtoob shifters, etc, but set up for Campy record 10, beautiful bike, this is not a model imported by Pegoretti, whose "normal" bike (?) is tig welded aluminum with carbon fork.
Nice to see these bikes are out there!
===================================================== Mark Petry 206.618.9642 Beautiful Bainbridge Island, WA mpetry@bainbridgeisland.net ===================================================== "Nothing can match the simple pleasure of a bicycle ride"
John F. Kennedy (Sr.) =====================================================
Message: 10 From: BobHoveyGa@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:47:10 EDT To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Yet another viewpoint
Dale said:
>With a very few exceptions, I have found CR list folk to be very
>generous
and
>inclusive of bike forms that we all seem to love.
Most assuredly so. I'm new here... and after going back a few months in the archive (can't wait to read it all...), I am amazed by the breadth of knowledge that your readers have picked up over the years and are anxious to share. Even the "what is a classic?" argument has been interesting (reminds me a lot of some of our after-class discussions down at the pub when I was in art school).
Brandon said:
>Riv's use modern steel, lugs, and paint
>they aren't using parts manufactured 20 years before. Rivendells are
>awfully nice bikes but they're not true "classics."
Personally, I can't help but feel that ANY bike, (not just by virtue of
it's
age or pedigree), that serves to remind us of the beauty and attention
to
detail that elevates an object from the utilitarian to an artform
deserves to
be recognized, and certainly fits the dictionary definition of
"classic".
But I understand that you have to draw the line somewhere, and in this
group
it seems to be at the pre-1983 lugged (steel) frame, (perhaps you allow
exceptions for very early aluminum? What John Huston said in
Chinatown...
"Even old buildings and whores get repectable if they live long
enough."),
and for quality, "old-style" contemporary handmade frames. This is
great,
but consider for a moment a newer frame I just picked up (was told it
was one
of the last California Masi's, a Gran Corsa #3021... can anybody help me
put
a date on it?) that has such nicely finished lugs and proportions that
you
might mistake it for a classic if you saw it from a bit of a distance...
it's
certainly no '60's GC and strictly speaking, does not belong here, but
could
we admit that it at least helps carry the torch for the lovers of the
"classic bike" when one sees it in the used section of the local bike
shop
sitting between an aluminum Giant and a titanium Lightspeed... no ugly
weld
marks, no carbon fork... I'd like to think that we have enough of an eye
for
beauty and traditional construction methods that even a later factory
frame
like this might not be considered out of bounds for the occasional
question
or discussion.
> We also consider "on topic" makers of very fine bicycles that can be
> seen as "Carrying the torch" for classic style cycling....
According to this, I just don't see how anyone could object to discussing a Rivendell... your description seems to acknowledge there is a "spirit" of the classic bicycle that does not nit-pick things like the type of steel, lugs, or paint. Gee whiz, with the right older components, maybe even my Masi
might fit the definition <grin>.
Bob Hovey
Columbus, GA