Re: [CR]vertical vs. horizontal dropouts

Example: Racing:Roger de Vlaeminck

From: "davebohm" <>
To: "Rich Rose" <>, <>
References: <>
Subject: Re: [CR]vertical vs. horizontal dropouts
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:21:48 -0700

I would also bring up the point that many bikes throughout the 1900-1940's had vertical drops. Heck, even the Wright brothers used vertical drops that we now call Breezers (copycats). So my question is, when did bike dropouts become predominately horizontal and for what reasons? I can think of a few but like all things what was old is new again.

Dave Bohm Bohemian Tucson Az ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Rose To: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:43 AM Subject: RE: [CR]Fw: Ciocc, Cinelli

What exactly is the attraction to vertical rear dropouts? Not just on these otherwise somewhat traditional lugged steel frames, but on bikes in general? The only thing I can think of is faster wheel changes? Yeah, that's what I'm worried about!? Richard (likes mine horizontal) Rose Toledo, Ohio

-----Original Message----- From: [] On Behalf Of Rick Chasteen Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:07 PM To: Subject: [CR]Fw: Ciocc, Cinelli


I'm intrigued by these currently available lugged steel framesets. The Cinelli and Ciocc appear to be very nearly identical (OK, the tubing isn't) to frames produced during the latter part of the era we venerate while the Gios is a compact but still constructed with lugs.

So, who is making these and how do they compare to their predecessors?

Rick "I checked with Dale first" Chasteen, Kansas City Pro+Frame+without+Fork&vendorCode=GIOS

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