Gang,
Just for kicks, imagine yourself in charge of your favorite Euro team of the 70s-early 80s. Campy and Shimano don't exist, but all of the other small players do. If sponsorship was not a deciding factor, how would you spec the team road bikes to last a season? Choose any mix of components from among, but not limited to the following: Mavic, Modolo, OMAS, Edco (dubied), Gipiemme, TTT, Maillard, Berrelli, Simplex, Everest, Zeus,CLB, Galli, Fiamme, ITM, MAFAC, Stronglight, Nervar, Universal, Nisi, Martano. Assos...... Just curious.....
Kevin, "can you ever had too much Campagnolo NR/SR stuff?" Gosney
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>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #1047 - 23 msgs
>Date: 14 Jan 2002 19:08:57 -0800
>
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>Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re BSA HUB (Helen Macvean)
> 2. Ebay outing (Steven Sweedler)
> 3. Re: DNP components?? (Bob Reid)
> 4. Re: Campagnolo question (Hugh Thornton)
> 5. Re: Campagnolo question (Fred Rafael Rednor)
> 6. Falcon-built Merckx on eBay (youngc@NetReach.Net)
> 7. Old Peugeots (Art Smith)
> 8. for sale (Richard M Sachs)
> 9. Re: Falcon-built Merckx on eBay (David Benson)
> 10. celestial origins? (cecilio felix)
> 11. Used Bike Buyers Guide--B (LouDeeter@aol.com)
> 12. Help (Doug Smith)
> 13. Re: Used Bike Buyers Guide--B (Jerry & Liz Moos)
> 14. Wanted: NR Headset circa 1970 (Guy Apple)
> 15. Toni Merkens track stem (feldman)
> 16. Mavic Mod. E2 vs E3 (Eric Elman)
> 17. WTB: campagnolo chainring fixing bolt (Roadgiant@cs.com)
> 18. The Custom Bicycle..Kolin&de la Rosa...ebay (J.Dunn)
> 19. Re: Mavic Mod. E2 vs E3 (feldman)
> 20. Re: Eisentraut models (kevin gosney)
> 21. Ebay prices, here we go again... (M4Campy)
> 22. FS: 52cm early 80's Calif. Masi (Paulie Davis)
> 23. Re: Re: Eisentraut models (feldman)
>
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:04:30 +0000
>From: Helen Macvean
>To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" ,
> "reclassicbikes@aol.com"
>Subject: [CR]Re BSA HUB
>
>This is what is known as the "DP" gear, as in "dual purpose". One toggle
>chain operated the two speed gear and the other moved the hub from fixed
>to free.
>This is a very rare hub and I have only seen one other. They were made
>sometime in the mid1930s and from all accounts were not a succsess. Even
>rarer still are the shifters (2) that goes with it . These were the
>normal banjo type but a two speed adptation.
>I think BSA also offered a handle bar shifters too
>
>Regards Pete Paine
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:08:03 -0500
>From: Steven Sweedler
>Reply-To: sweedler@mail.plymouth.edu
>Organization: Plymouth State College
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Ebay outing
>
>Here's one of the Cycling History texts. Thought it would be of interest. only 5
>hours left. Steve
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:53:36 +0000
>Subject: Re: [CR]DNP components??
>From: Bob Reid
>To: ,
> classicrendezvous
>
>In short - don't touch them - they are pure Junk
>
>The only company to make Hyperglide compatible freewheels that don't index.
>Out and out Junk either way.......
>
>Sorry if I've offended DNP fans !
>
>Bob Reid
>Stonehaven
>Scotland
>
> > From:
> > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:28 -0500
> > To: classicrendezvous
> > Subject: [CR]DNP components??
> >
> >
> > What the heck are DNP components? I acquired a box of old Bike JUNK from a guy
> > and while coursing through this box I have come across only a few usable
> > items. There were some skewers, mostly skewer pieces, a Suntour bar-con
> > shifter (only one), many bits and pieces of suntour derailleurs (enough to
> > make one freaksish looking but non working derailleur), a Celeste T.A. bottle
> > cage, and the only derailleurs not broken are these DNP derailleurs. They look
> > like expendable JUNK. Are they?
> >
> > Walt
> > Falls Creek, Pa
> > _______________________________________________
> > Classicrendezvous mailing list
> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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>Message: 4
>From: "Hugh Thornton"
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo question
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:02 -0500
>
>You may be right about the Pista cranks, but that is not my experience:
>however mine are currently at the bottom of a shipping crate and it will be
>a while before I can dig them out. Mine are the earlier 144mm BCD and were
>fitted to a 60's Condor Barracchi with the rest being standard Nuovo Record
>road group. Both cranks are marked Pista. However, I decided to fit double
>chainwheels so swapped the Pista Cranks for Strada cranks of the same
>vintage and did not have to change the axle. The cranks looked pretty much
>the same and if the axle had been much shorter, the chainwheel on the Pista
>cranks would have rubbed the chainstays -- in fact it was close enough that
>i assumed the Strada inner ring would rub, so I didn't bother to try it
>until I had got hold of a new bottom bracket, which I ended up not using.
>
>Hugh Thornton
>nr Crewe UK
>
>
> >From: "Questor"
> >Reply-To: "Questor"
> >To: "Tom Hayes"
> >CC: "classicrendezvous"
> >Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo question
> >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:42:36 -0500
> >
> >Hi Tom,
> >
> >Campy "Pista" cranks were specifically built for track use and have
> >different shapes to save weight and allow closer mounting to the frame.
> >This is also why Pista axles are narrower that Strada axles - to save
> >weight.
> >
> >
> >Regards, Steve Neago
> >"Enjoying sunny breakfast time in Cincinnati, OH"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tom Hayes"
> >To:
> >Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:07 AM
> >Subject: [CR]Campagnolo question
> >
> >
> > > Is the left arm of a Campagnolo Pista crankset (undated) supposed to be
> > > marked Pista as the right side is? And if it is, what is the difference
> > > between a Pista left arm and a "regular" one?
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > Tom Hayes
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:46:19 -0800 (PST)
>From: Fred Rafael Rednor
>Reply-To: fred_rednor@yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo question
>To: Hugh Thornton ,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>Friends,
> For whatever it's worth, here's what I see from examining
>the spindles (and from recollections of days gone by): the
>Pista BB is identical to the later 111mm, symetrical road
>spindles such as the early '90s Chorus. In some situations
>it will work with NR arms, much the same way as NR triples
>sometimes would work with the BB meant for a double.
> I don't remember any real differences between the Pista and
>Strada crankarms - beyond the fact that Pista arms lacked the
>supporting metal for the inside chainring. But then, I don't
>have one to examine at the moment either.
> Best regards,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia
>
>
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>Message: 6
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>From: youngc@NetReach.Net
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:47:11 US/Eastern
>Subject: [CR]Falcon-built Merckx on eBay
>
>Folks:
>
>Here is a 53-cm example of the Merckx-labeled Falcons recently discussed on the
>list. This may be the "upscale" model given that the forks and stays are half
>chromed and the lugs look to be pretty nice longpoints.
>
>I have the cheapie model with chunky, unthinned lugs, no chrome and no
>derailleur hanger on the right dropout. Note the seatstay attachment; not the
>wrapover commonly used on older Falcon frames. Might not be a bad rider if it
>is 531 straight gauge.
>
>No connection, etc.
>
>Charlie Young
>Honeybrook,
>PA
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
>From: "Art Smith"
>To:
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:42:17 -0700
>Subject: [CR]Old Peugeots
>
>A couple of Peugeots out of Argentina. For my money I would rather have
>these than all of the high end PX-10's. I wonder what these will go for and
>I wonder if these are too old to be of any interest to the French-loving
>Japanese buyers?
>
>Art Smith
>Phoenix, Az
>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>93386
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:44:13 -0500
>From: Richard M Sachs
>Subject: [CR]for sale
>
>campagnolo steel/chrome plated toe clips.
>small. medium. large.
>don't settle for imitations.
>$10 per pair.
>plus u.s.p.s. priority mail fees.
>
>are you interesting?
>i mean 'interested'?
>
>contact me off-list.
>e-RICHIE
>in Chester
>50km today
>
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>
>Message: 9
>Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:08:31 +1300
>From: David Benson
>To: youngc@NetReach.Net
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Falcon-built Merckx on eBay
>
>What is the item #?
>DB
>AK, NZ
>
>youngc@NetReach.Net wrote:
>
> >Folks:
> >
> >Here is a 53-cm example of the Merckx-labeled Falcons recently discussed on the
> >list. This may be the "upscale" model given that the forks and stays are half
> >chromed and the lugs look to be pretty nice longpoints.
> >
> >I have the cheapie model with chunky, unthinned lugs, no chrome and no
> >derailleur hanger on the right dropout. Note the seatstay attachment; not the
> >wrapover commonly used on older Falcon frames. Might not be a bad rider if it
> >is 531 straight gauge.
> >
> >No connection, etc.
> >
> >Charlie Young
> >Honeybrook,
> >PA
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Classicrendezvous mailing list
> >Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 10
>From: "cecilio felix"
>To:
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:16:19 -0800
>Subject: [CR]celestial origins?
>
>I skipped over a few posts, so this article in the 1/14 SFChronicle scien=
>ce report might have been covered already. =20
>
>The article included a patch of the color that caught my eye...celeste, i=
>dentical to Bianchi's (by my eye). Perhaps Bianchi possessed some stella=
>r knowledge? =20
>
>
>Cosmos' Color is Turquoise, Scientists Say
>
>"The universe, by definition, holds everything imaginable and then some. =
> It even has color, astronomers have concluded.
>
>If it were possible to see the universe as a whole, it would appear pale =
>green.
>
>That is the conclusion of two astronomers from Johns Hopkins University, =
>who mixed the varied hues in visible light of 200,000 galaxies on their p=
>alettes and saw green. They announced the results last week at a meeting=
> of the American Astronomical Society in Washington. =20
>
>Although it takes a mixture of blue and yellow to make green in pigments,=
> light sources combine in a different way. A blend of light from older r=
>ed stars and younger blue stars produces what Karl Glazebrook of John Hop=
>kins described as "the standard shade of pale turquoise, but a few percen=
>t greener."
>
>Glazebrook and his colleague, Ivan Baldry of Johns Hopkins, said the rese=
>arch could help assess theories of star formation and evolution, one of t=
>he important questions in cosmology." =20
>
>Cecilio Felix
>OaklandGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explor=
>er.msn.com
>
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>Message: 11
>From: LouDeeter@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:50:13 EST
>To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Used Bike Buyers Guide--B
>
>Over the next couple of months, I'll post the makes of frames that are in the
>
>guide and that I have little or no information other than the name. Please
>email me your comments off-line if you have information on these makes. Here
>are the makes starting with B that have little or no info. Addresses or
>telephone numbers would help if you have them. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>
>BALLIS: France
>
>BARELLIA:
>
>BATES, A: England (I also have an E. G. Bates and Horace Bates listed)
>
>BAUER: Germany. As early as the 1950s.
>
>BAYARD:
>
>BCARRE:
>
>BECKETT
>
>BEDFORD, Kelly: Custom, worked for Serotta.
>
>BERGA: Italy
>
>BERMA: Columbus tubing.
>
>BESPOKE: England.
>
>BEVILAQUA: Italy. Named for racer from mid-century.
>
>BICKERTON: England
>
>BIRD, Alec: London, England
>
>BIRD, Ken: London, England.
>
>BLT:
>
>BOETTCHER:
>
>BOSOMWORTH, Eddie: Rotorua, New Zealand.
>
>BROWN, Phil: PH Brown frames.
>
>BROWNING, Michael:
>
>BRUN, Jean:
>
>BRUTTO:
>
>BSA: England
>
>BURTIN: Switzerland.
>
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>Message: 12
>From: "Doug Smith"
>To:
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:23:31 -0000
>Subject: [CR]Help
>
>Can anyone indentify origin and period of my Polygon caliper brakes.Has =
>AF730 marked on rear of main arm and dome pointed nuts. Was there any =
>levers to make up the brake set of these ?=20
>Thanks for any forthcoming information.
>Doug.Smith
>Dorset .England =20
>
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>Message: 13
>From: "Jerry & Liz Moos"
>To: ,
>Subject: Re: [CR]Used Bike Buyers Guide--B
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:09:58 -0600
>
>Was "Bespoke" an actual marque? I thought this was a term used in older UK
>industry jargon, meaning roughly "custom built".
>Regards,
>
>Jerry Moos
>Hosuton, TX
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
>To:
>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 6:50 PM
>Subject: [CR]Used Bike Buyers Guide--B
>
>
> > Over the next couple of months, I'll post the makes of frames that are in
>the
> >
> > guide and that I have little or no information other than the name.
>Please
> > email me your comments off-line if you have information on these makes.
>Here
> > are the makes starting with B that have little or no info. Addresses or
> > telephone numbers would help if you have them. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
> >
> > BALLIS: France
> >
> > BARELLIA:
> >
> > BATES, A: England (I also have an E. G. Bates and Horace Bates listed)
> >
> > BAUER: Germany. As early as the 1950s.
> >
> > BAYARD:
> >
> > BCARRE:
> >
> > BECKETT
> >
> > BEDFORD, Kelly: Custom, worked for Serotta.
> >
> > BERGA: Italy
> >
> > BERMA: Columbus tubing.
> >
> > BESPOKE: England.
> >
> > BEVILAQUA: Italy. Named for racer from mid-century.
> >
> > BICKERTON: England
> >
> > BIRD, Alec: London, England
> >
> > BIRD, Ken: London, England.
> >
> > BLT:
> >
> > BOETTCHER:
> >
> > BOSOMWORTH, Eddie: Rotorua, New Zealand.
> >
> > BROWN, Phil: PH Brown frames.
> >
> > BROWNING, Michael:
> >
> > BRUN, Jean:
> >
> > BRUTTO:
> >
> > BSA: England
> >
> > BURTIN: Switzerland.
> >
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> > http://www.bikelist.org/
> >
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>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:52 -0800
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>From: Guy Apple
>Subject: [CR]Wanted: NR Headset circa 1970
>
>Hi CR List Members,
>
>I am looking for a Campy NR Headset circa 1970 for Legnano frameset.
>The headset must be cosmetically in "very good" condition (does not
>have to be perfect) without any deep scratches or gouges. I don't
>mind working on the parts to improve their finish. Functionally, the
>thing does not have to be perfect, well cared for miles are OK.
>
>There is a "for sale" web site and their NOS price is $120, I am
>willing to pay that only if I can not find the part elsewhere.
>
>Please contact me off list.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Guy Apple
>gapple@nvt.com
>
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>
>
>
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>
>Message: 15
>From: "feldman"
>To:
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:20:45 -0800
>Subject: [CR]Toni Merkens track stem
>
>Sellwood Cycle Repair just posted an interesting curved steel track =
>stem, brand "Toni Merkens," on ebay; all who are interested in track =
>items might want to take a look. I don't have an item # yet, but there's =
>always a link on the Sellwood Cycle website.
>
>David Feldman
>Vancouver, WA
>
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>Message: 16
>From: "Eric Elman"
>To:
>Subject: [CR]Mavic Mod. E2 vs E3
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:19:49 -0500
>
>Hello List,
>
>Who can help by advising me on the difference between a Mavic Module E2 rim
>and an E3. I have some E2's which I love, and have an opportunity to
>purchase a set of E3's from a source I trust but over the pond so that I
>cannot see them. Are they very similar/different/how/etc?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Eric Elman
>Somers, CT
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 17
>From: Roadgiant@cs.com
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:27:03 EST
>To: LouDeeter@aol.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]WTB: campagnolo chainring fixing bolt
>
>This is odd but I've lost one of the 5 chainring fixing bolts for my '73 NR
>cranks. These are the ones marked 'Patent Campagnolo'.
> Anyone have one of these? It's the bolt and the part it screws into.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Scott Smith
> LA
>
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>Message: 18
>From: "J.Dunn"
>To:
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:53:22 -0900
>Subject: [CR]The Custom Bicycle..Kolin&de la Rosa...ebay
>
>I have this book up on ebay =20
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>John in Boise
>
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>Message: 19
>From: "feldman"
>To: "Eric Elman" ,
>Subject: Re: [CR]Mavic Mod. E2 vs E3
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:17:01 -0800
>
>Eric,
>
>E-3's were wider, heavier, and since they weren't double reinforced, had
>something of a history of cracking around spoke holes. The set I had also
>was the most godawful tight tire fit until Rolf Vector Pros!
>
>David Feldman
>Vancouver, wA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eric Elman"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:19 PM
>Subject: [CR]Mavic Mod. E2 vs E3
>
>
> > Hello List,
> >
> > Who can help by advising me on the difference between a Mavic Module E2
>rim
> > and an E3. I have some E2's which I love, and have an opportunity to
> > purchase a set of E3's from a source I trust but over the pond so that I
> > cannot see them. Are they very similar/different/how/etc?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Eric Elman
> > Somers, CT
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Classicrendezvous mailing list
> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > http://www.bikelist.org/
>
>
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>
>Message: 20
>From: "kevin gosney"
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:38:07 +0000
>Subject: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
>
>
>Gang,
>
>Kevin, "formerly residing in Latin America", Gosney is back on. Got a question regarding frames from Albert Eisentraut. In the late 70's what where the differences between the "Model A' and "Model B" frames . I've owned a "LIMITED" so understand that specification, but am at a loss regarding tubing, geometry, lugs, and original price differences between A & B.
>Any help out there?
>
>Thanks, Cold but dry in Oregon
>
>Kevin
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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>>Subject: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #1046 - 7 msgs
>
>>Date: 14 Jan 2002 12:04:15 -0800
>
>>
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>>Today's Topics:
>
>>
>
>> 1. bicycle models legnano, bartalli, binda, (roy roberts)
>
>> 2. Due to the great response, here are a few more for sale items! (REClassicBikes@aol.com)
>
>> 3. New Depature 2 speed hub year/ (Phil)
>
>> 4. FS bicycle models cont'd (roy roberts)
>
>> 5. Vintage Tire renewal & restoration info needed (Questor)
>
>> 6. CR jerseys? (wspokes@penn.com)
>
>> 7. DNP components?? (wspokes@penn.com)
>
>>
>
>>-- __--__--
>
>>
>
>>Message: 1
>
>>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:33:37 -0800 (PST)
>
>>From: roy roberts
>
>
>>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>>Subject: [CR]bicycle models legnano, bartalli, binda,
>
>>
>
>>Coming soon! Protar 1/9 scale bicycle models. These
>
>>are made in Italy. They are highly detailed . With
>
>>metal and plastic parts.
>
>>
>
>>I will have the following models available
>
>>
>
>>1938 Legnano, G. Bartali
>
>>
>
>>1932 Legnano, A. Binda
>
>>
>
>>1984 Panasonic Raleigh Team Bike
>
>>
>
>>The cost will be $29.99 include US Shipping
>
>>
>
>>Visa < MC, AMEX, Discover
>
>>
>
>>Please email me of list if interested
>
>>
>
>>__________________________________________________
>
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>
>>Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!
>
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>>
>
>>Message: 2
>
>>From: REClassicBikes@aol.com
>
>>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:57:37 EST
>
>>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>>Subject: [CR]Due to the great response, here are a few more for sale items!
>
>>
>
>>Here are a few brake sets that were destined for ebay but may be of use to
>
>>you guys (and gals) out there?
>
>>
>
>>NOS, boxed. Weinmanns finest 400 brakeset, complete with levers, gum hoods,
>
>>cables and cable clips. callipers are anodised black. Nut fitting. $70
>
>>
>
>>NOS, boxed, weinmann 405, again levers, hoods cables, no cable clips. nut
>
>>fitting. $50
>
>>
>
>>(Are these old enough for the list?) Shimano 600 ax Callipers and levers. The
>
>>aero centre pull type. These are used, but the callipers are in good
>
>>condition, with virtually no wear on the pads. I have no idea where you would
>
>>get new pads, perhaps you could ask the mechanics at UPS! The levers are not
>
>>very good and the hoods are poor. $40
>
>>
>
>>NOS D.A.M Wooden sprint rims, made in Milan, 36 hole. still in their
>
>>wrappings. $150
>
>>
>
>>TA Cyclo cross chainring with guards, 5 pin fitting, NOS, 46 tooth. These are
>
>>really nice on a single gear town bike as well. Hard to find. $35
>
>>
>
>>Campag, band on Gran turisimo gear shifter. NOS. The funny looking one with
>
>>the big disk. $10
>
>>
>
>>NOS Cotton Bonk bags (Mussettes), Red, or Blue with rainbow bands or White
>
>>with rainbow bands. $10 including airmail to the US. Good quality.
>
>>
>
>>Post at cost unless otherwise stated.
>
>>
>
>>please contact me off list. Thanks.
>
>>
>
>>Regards
>
>>Martin Coopland
>
>>
>
>>-- __--__--
>
>>
>
>>Message: 3
>
>>From: "Phil"
>
>
>>To:
>
>
>>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:46:04 -0500
>
>>Subject: [CR]New Depature 2 speed hub year/
>
>>
>
>>Anyone know what year New departure came out with 2 speed hub and top =
>
>>tube shifter!
>
>>Phil Scott
>
>>Boring Ohio
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
>
>>multipart/alternative
>
>> text/plain (text body -- kept)
>
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>
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>
>>
>
>>Message: 4
>
>>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:39:49 -0800 (PST)
>
>>From: roy roberts
>
>
>>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>
>>Subject: [CR]FS bicycle models cont'd
>
>>
>
>>Please note the price includes shipping.
>
>>
>
>>__________________________________________________
>
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>
>>Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!
>
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>
>>
>
>>Message: 5
>
>>Reply-To: "Questor"
>
>
>>From: "Questor"
>
>
>>To: "classicrendezvous"
>
>
>>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:18 -0500
>
>>Subject: [CR]Vintage Tire renewal & restoration info needed
>
>>
>
>>Hello,
>
>>
>
>>I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has original =
>
>>Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the casing is =
>
>>apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age. =20
>
>>
>
>>Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the discoloration =
>
>>without damaging the tires casing or its original color? I may be =
>
>>wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do not have this problem =
>
>>over time... could there have been a manufacturing change? =20
>
>>
>
>>What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make reasonably =
>
>>sure this discoloration does not come back?
>
>>
>
>>Thanks, Steve Neago
>
>>"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
>
>>multipart/alternative
>
>> text/plain (text body -- kept)
>
>> text/html
>
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>
>>
>
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>
>>
>
>>Message: 6
>
>>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:02 -0500
>
>>From:
>
>
>>To: classicrendezvous
>
>
>>Subject: [CR]CR jerseys?
>
>>
>
>>How is the tally on the CR jerseys coming along?
>
>>
>
>>Walt S
>
>>Falls Creek, Pa
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>Questor
>wrote:
>
>> > Hello,
>
>>
>
>>I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has original Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the casing is apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age.
>
>>
>
>>Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the discoloration without damaging the tires casing or its original color? I may be wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do not have this problem over time... could there have been a manufacturing change?
>
>>
>
>>What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make reasonably sure this discoloration does not come back?
>
>>
>
>>Thanks, Steve Neago
>
>>"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
>
>>multipart/alternative
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>>
>
>>Message: 7
>
>>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:28 -0500
>
>>From:
>
>
>>To: classicrendezvous
>
>
>>Subject: [CR]DNP components??
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>What the heck are DNP components? I acquired a box of old Bike JUNK from a guy and while coursing through this box I have come across only a few usable items. There were some skewers, mostly skewer pieces, a Suntour bar-con shifter (only one), many bits and pieces of suntour derailleurs (enough to make one freaksish looking but non working derailleur), a Celeste T.A. bottle cage, and the only derailleurs not broken are these DNP derailleurs. They look like expendable JUNK. Are they?
>
>>
>
>>Walt
>
>>Falls Creek, Pa
>
>>
>
>>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
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>Message: 21
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:35:43 -0700
>From: M4Campy
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Ebay prices, here we go again...
>
>Ok, these ebay prices are getting crazy! Clive???
>
>http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>Mike "With tounge firmly planted in cheek" Wilkinson
>Parker, CO out for a cold 20k today!
>
>
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>
>Message: 22
>From: "Paulie Davis"
>To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:03:17 +0000
>Subject: [CR]FS: 52cm early 80's Calif. Masi
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'm selling my *newer* 52 cm red Masi. Price is $800 or best offer. Bad
>news, usual dings, rust on top tube cable guides, rust on rt side of chrome
>fork crown. Includes full Campy parts: pedals, straps, hubs, rims, etc.,
>Cinelli bars, tall Nitto stem, matching Silca pump w/Campy head (w/some rust
>for good measure), scruffy Avocet saddle (which I'd happily keep if you
>don't want it). I'd be happy to answer specific questions as best I can,
>newbie style. Photos are as follows:
>
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m1.jpg (full bike)
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m2.jpg (crank)
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m3.jpg (headtube)
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m4.jpg (cracked hood)
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m5.jpg (rusted cable guides)
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m6.jpg (rust on fork crown)
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m7.jpg (rear brake)
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m8.jpg (rear der)
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m9.jpg (seatpost)
>http://members.aol.com/paulieflt/m10.jpg (bar plug)
>
>The price is based closely on what I have in the bike. I'll charge actual
>shipping, but I staunchly insist on using two separate boxes for wheels and
>frame to ensure safe arrival on your end.
>
>Paulie Davis
>Glendale, California
>(818) 240-9463
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 23
>From: "feldman"
>To: "kevin gosney" ,
>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:03:49 -0800
>
>The "Limited" was the "model B" as I remember them, there were touring as
>well as racing models and the dealer near me that sold them at the time
>didn't get any printed specs--but in the 1970's that was pretty standard
>practice anyway.
>
>David Feldman
>Vancouver, WA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kevin gosney"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 6:38 PM
>Subject: [CR]Re: Eisentraut models
>
>
> >
> > Gang,
> >
> > Kevin, "formerly residing in Latin America", Gosney is back on.
>Got a question regarding frames from Albert Eisentraut. In the late 70's
>what where the differences between the "Model A' and "Model B" frames .
>I've owned a "LIMITED" so understand that specification, but am at a loss
>regarding tubing, geometry, lugs, and original price differences between A &
>B.
> > Any help out there?
> >
> > Thanks, Cold but dry in Oregon
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >Subject: Classicrendezvous digest, Vol 1 #1046 - 7 msgs
> >
> > >Date: 14 Jan 2002 12:04:15 -0800
> >
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> >
> > >Today's Topics:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 1. bicycle models legnano, bartalli, binda, (roy roberts)
> >
> > > 2. Due to the great response, here are a few more for sale items!
>(REClassicBikes@aol.com)
> >
> > > 3. New Depature 2 speed hub year/ (Phil)
> >
> > > 4. FS bicycle models cont'd (roy roberts)
> >
> > > 5. Vintage Tire renewal & restoration info needed (Questor)
> >
> > > 6. CR jerseys? (wspokes@penn.com)
> >
> > > 7. DNP components?? (wspokes@penn.com)
> >
> > >
> >
> > >-- __--__--
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 1
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:33:37 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > >From: roy roberts
> >
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]bicycle models legnano, bartalli, binda,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Coming soon! Protar 1/9 scale bicycle models. These
> >
> > >are made in Italy. They are highly detailed . With
> >
> > >metal and plastic parts.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >I will have the following models available
> >
> > >
> >
> > >1938 Legnano, G. Bartali
> >
> > >
> >
> > >1932 Legnano, A. Binda
> >
> > >
> >
> > >1984 Panasonic Raleigh Team Bike
> >
> > >
> >
> > >The cost will be $29.99 include US Shipping
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Visa < MC, AMEX, Discover
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Please email me of list if interested
> >
> > >
> >
> > >__________________________________________________
> >
> > >Do You Yahoo!?
> >
> > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!
> >
> > >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
> >
> > >
> >
> > >-- __--__--
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 2
> >
> > >From: REClassicBikes@aol.com
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:57:37 EST
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]Due to the great response, here are a few more for sale
>items!
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Here are a few brake sets that were destined for ebay but may be of
>use to
> >
> > >you guys (and gals) out there?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >NOS, boxed. Weinmanns finest 400 brakeset, complete with levers, gum
>hoods,
> >
> > >cables and cable clips. callipers are anodised black. Nut fitting. $70
> >
> > >
> >
> > >NOS, boxed, weinmann 405, again levers, hoods cables, no cable clips.
>nut
> >
> > >fitting. $50
> >
> > >
> >
> > >(Are these old enough for the list?) Shimano 600 ax Callipers and
>levers. The
> >
> > >aero centre pull type. These are used, but the callipers are in good
> >
> > >condition, with virtually no wear on the pads. I have no idea where
>you would
> >
> > >get new pads, perhaps you could ask the mechanics at UPS! The levers
>are not
> >
> > >very good and the hoods are poor. $40
> >
> > >
> >
> > >NOS D.A.M Wooden sprint rims, made in Milan, 36 hole. still in their
> >
> > >wrappings. $150
> >
> > >
> >
> > >TA Cyclo cross chainring with guards, 5 pin fitting, NOS, 46 tooth.
>These are
> >
> > >really nice on a single gear town bike as well. Hard to find. $35
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Campag, band on Gran turisimo gear shifter. NOS. The funny looking one
>with
> >
> > >the big disk. $10
> >
> > >
> >
> > >NOS Cotton Bonk bags (Mussettes), Red, or Blue with rainbow bands or
>White
> >
> > >with rainbow bands. $10 including airmail to the US. Good quality.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Post at cost unless otherwise stated.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >please contact me off list. Thanks.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Regards
> >
> > >Martin Coopland
> >
> > >
> >
> > >-- __--__--
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 3
> >
> > >From: "Phil"
> >
> >
> > >To:
> >
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:46:04 -0500
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]New Depature 2 speed hub year/
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Anyone know what year New departure came out with 2 speed hub and top
>=
> >
> > >tube shifter!
> >
> > >Phil Scott
> >
> > >Boring Ohio
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 4
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:39:49 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > >From: roy roberts
> >
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]FS bicycle models cont'd
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Please note the price includes shipping.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >__________________________________________________
> >
> > >Do You Yahoo!?
> >
> > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!
> >
> > >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
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> >
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> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 5
> >
> > >Reply-To: "Questor"
> >
> >
> > >From: "Questor"
> >
> >
> > >To: "classicrendezvous"
> >
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:18 -0500
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]Vintage Tire renewal & restoration info needed
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Hello,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has
>original =
> >
> > >Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the casing is =
> >
> > >apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age. =20
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the discoloration =
> >
> > >without damaging the tires casing or its original color? I may be =
> >
> > >wrong, but it seems that current tubular tires do not have this
>problem =
> >
> > >over time... could there have been a manufacturing change? =20
> >
> > >
> >
> > >What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make
>reasonably =
> >
> > >sure this discoloration does not come back?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Thanks, Steve Neago
> >
> > >"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
> >
> > >multipart/alternative
> >
> > > text/plain (text body -- kept)
> >
> > > text/html
> >
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> >
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> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 6
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:02 -0500
> >
> > >From:
> >
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous
> >
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]CR jerseys?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >How is the tally on the CR jerseys coming along?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Walt S
> >
> > >Falls Creek, Pa
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Questor
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > Hello,
> >
> > >
> >
> > >I have obtained a late 70's Campy tubular LF wheel set that has
>original Clement Criterium tires. The tires still hold air, but the casing
>is apparently rubber coated that has discolored with age.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Are there any suggestions on how I can clean up the discoloration
>without damaging the tires casing or its original color? I may be wrong, but
>it seems that current tubular tires do not have this problem over time...
>could there have been a manufacturing change?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >What cleaner/preservative should I use in the future to make
>reasonably sure this discoloration does not come back?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Thanks, Steve Neago
> >
> > >"Trying to see through the clouds in Cincinnati, OH"
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
> >
> > >multipart/alternative
> >
> > > text/plain (text body -- kept)
> >
> > > text/html
> >
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> >
> > >_______________________________________________
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > >
> >
> > >Message: 7
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:28 -0500
> >
> > >From:
> >
> >
> > >To: classicrendezvous
> >
> >
> > >Subject: [CR]DNP components??
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >What the heck are DNP components? I acquired a box of old Bike JUNK
>from a guy and while coursing through this box I have come across only a few
>usable items. There were some skewers, mostly skewer pieces, a Suntour
>bar-con shifter (only one), many bits and pieces of suntour derailleurs
>(enough to make one freaksish looking but non working derailleur), a Celeste
>T.A. bottle cage, and the only derailleurs not broken are these DNP
>derailleurs. They look like expendable JUNK. Are they?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >Walt
> >
> > >Falls Creek, Pa
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
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