Re: [CR]]RE: Mojo? and modernist lugs

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From: Renaissance Cycles <info@renaissance-cycles.com>
To: "Mark Poore" <rauler83@yahoo.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <20021015220222.61221.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]]RE: Mojo? and modernist lugs
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:31:54 +0200

Lugs, Lugs, lugs!!! Fat lugs, ugly lugs, pretty lugs!..............I like them all as long as there is a ''SUPER SWEET!'' pair of wheels hooked up to them and we are happening!.............Theres another set o lugs that I ''LOVE!'' But that's another story!

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----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Poore
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [CR]]RE: Mojo? and modernist lugs



>
> A Pierre Koenig designed steel frame house would look completely out of place in our beautiful mountain setting IMHO. However, to each there own as I am sure there are those out there that think it would fit in, just don't want one next door that I have to look at everyday. Wood and stone blend in more naturally as well as giving a feeling of warmth.
> As far as lugs go, again, to each their own. I can find beauty in long point, short point, cutouts, very fancy and shorter, but also fancy as in Dave's lugs. I believe a builder that goes the extra mile in terms of hours of labor to design, file, braze and clean it after all that work to ready the frame for paint and/or chrome exhibits a bit more artistic flair and creativity in their work. I for one have admired Dave's work over the years, maybe one day will get to see one up close and if I get lucky even be able to afford one. Not sure if modernist lugs would be the proper term. How about just ornate.
> Now to figure out the Rauler's lugs. To view the headlugs from the front they appear to be simple Italian lugs, very plain. Then look around to the side view they become ornate. Kind of reminds me of a Billy Ray Cyris,sp?, haircut. What are they called, a Mullet or something like that. Anyway, conservative in the front and long in the back. Yeh, Billy Ray lugs, I like it.
> Mark, my mind is becoming soggy from all the rain, Poore
> Slatyfork, WV
> Grant McLean <Grant.McLean@SportingLife.ca> wrote:I wrote: "I like minimal, super clean, pared down, "less is more" designs. I
> also wrote: "for me, the fact that the basic structure of the tube and lug
> joint is exposed, is key.
>
> >To which Dave bohm wrote in part :As I see it the ultimate end to this
> thought is no lugs at all, which is where we have ended up today. The fact
> that you like lugs means that to some extent you like adornment. Otherwise
> you would be a big fan of Fillet brazing or TIG welding, and I don't think
> you are.
>
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> No, I disagree. Even in strict Bauhaus "big M" Modernism, (BTW, to which I
> do not adhere) there is no goal to eliminate structure. On the contrary,
> exposed structure celebrates the method of construction, and concealing the
> method of construction is an UN-modern idea.
>
> Check out: http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Case_Study_House_21.html
>
> Pierre Koenig designed steel frame houses. He didn't hide the fact that his
> houses were not wood, on the contrary, the steel frame is left exposed so
> you can see how it's built. Covering everything with sheetrock and painting
> it all white might be more 'minimal' to the interior, but that doesn't make
> it more modern.
>
> I think that lugs, as a method of tube joining, are a great example of
> modern construction. They celebrate the form and serve a function. It's
> efficient, clean and aesthetically pleasing, all of which are consistent
> with the best of modern principles.
>
> Grant McLean
> Toronto, Canada
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