Re: [CR]Re: Masi talk

(Example: Framebuilding)

To: NortonMarg@aol.com
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Masi talk
From: "Richard M Sachs" <richardsachs@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:14:38 -0500

(i'm replying to the post at the bottom) stevan i agree with you. but 1979 was my first trip to italy, not the first time the light went on. even when i was in london at witcomb lightweight cycles (71-72), the notion of the 'one-man' shop was an anomaly. there were few if any such examples of this enterprise. for instance, prior to arriving there, i wanted to work for mr. hurlow, but couldn't, because he already had younger members of his thanet road club doing some of the work i hoped to learn about. when i was actually in london, i 'heard' similar tales about ron cooper, another archtypical one-man shop. i.e. i cannot recall-i do not know of-any one-man shops from that era. this all ties in with this a.m.'s thread about the word 'built' when describing how 'he actually built' the frame. my intuiton is that there was always 'someone else' doing at least some of the work at the so called one-man shops, regardless of how menial the task was. thus, though i am as curious about all this as are others, i still think that being a framebuilder in those past eras did not always mean that you built the frame. fwiw, i still would like to know what folks think about this 'division of labor' topic because feel it's central to the thread regarding the letter of authenticity. e-RICHIE Richard Sachs Cycles No.9, North Main Street Chester, CT 06412 USA http://www.richardsachs.com Tel. 860.526.2059 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:20:34 EST NortonMarg@aol.com writes:
> In a message dated 11/6/02 10:16:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> richardsachs@juno.com writes:
>
> << i wanted so much to believe that this was the
> case overseas as well because all my role models were there.
> but by 1979 while in italy for trip #1, i was astonished by
> the CONTRAST between what i expected (and what brian,
> myself, and others here do...), that all i can say is the only
> similarity is that the end-product is a bicycle frame. >>
>
> Might it have been quite different in 1950, or 1960? 1979 was post
> bike boom
> here, but early on Masi was a small builder. In 1979 there was
> production
> equipment that didn't exist in 1950. Having the tools to make large
>
> quantities of frames opens the door to having a lot of people to do
> the
> making, does it not?
> Stevan Thomas
> Alameda, CA