Re: [CR]NOW:Blind Bike Test WAS:Making Frames for Fun and Profit

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From: "Brian Baylis" <rocklube@adnc.com>
To: ABikie@aol.com
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]NOW:Blind Bike Test WAS:Making Frames for Fun and Profit
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:59:13 -0800

Larry,

I've been thinking about this all day and I have to admit I'm still curious if there is any difference between frames that are identical in materials and dimentions. A blind test would tell us something if it is carefully conducted. If we can come up with a quality unlabled frame, or one that is easily disguised, that is very low miles or new to copy, we could conduct some rider tests. Are you willing to help this test along? Let me know if there is some way to co-operate efforts to accomplish this. I believe it would be helpful to have Damon Raynard-like rigidity tests of the frames to add to our understanding of the results of the riding tests. Let me know if we can work together to satisfy our lust for answers to esoteric questions.

Brian Baylis Curious in La Mesa, CA
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2002 3:32:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> chuckschmidt@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > Subj:Re: [CR]NOW:Blind Bike Test WAS:Making Frames for Fun and Profit
> > Date:11/21/2002 3:32:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > From:<A HREF="mailto:chuckschmidt@earthlink.net">chuckschmidt@earthlink.net</A>
> > To:<A HREF="mailto:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org">classicrendezvous@bikelist.org</A>
> > Sent from the Internet
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian Baylis wrote:
> > >
> > > Chuck,
> > >
> > > The test you guys are referring to is intended to tell whether bikes
> > > with different tubing have different ride qualities. That's not what I'm
> > > seeking to find the answer to. I'm curious to know if two bikes are
> > > built with identical tubing, dimentions, and fittings (and assuming the
> > > components are exactly the same) will it ride the same.
> >
> >
> > Well I do know this for fact: After washing the car it _definitely_ runs
> > better...
> >
> > Chuck "princess and the pea syndrome" Schmidt
> > SoPas, SoCal
> >
>
> Hey, I've been gonna get a blind test together and will pay any testers well.
> Seriously, this has been a passion for me for decades to try to put to rest
> the myriad of opinions about stiffness, performance, and comfort.
> I have chapters on 'perceprion' and 'materials' in my forthcoming book
> '120,000 wheels'
>
> It will set many a bunko opinionizer to rest and set riders apart from
> writers
>
> Larry Black
> Washington, DC 'home of enough bunk'