Chuck et al-
You have to love the exceptions though...those horses just making it by on life support.
Remember DeDe Demet's beautiful lugged Mariposa that she rode to a World Cup win this season? How about all the lugged steel track bikes under those Keirin racers? Oh yeah and Richie's winning 'cross bikes--(light, strong, fast, beautiful, repairable, comfortable, durable, soulful, and perhaps with better mud clearance?...)
Well those bikes all do carry a miniscule bit of extra weight I guess...so yes Chuck, you ARE right. (Also about the Gillott looking nice in the sun.)
FWIW Dave Bohm told me that a (853, etc.) steel front triangle is as light as the equivalent made of lightweight butted Ti, but the weight adds up in the BB shell and dropouts plus just a tiny bit in the stays. For a modern bike I'd like to hacksaw a Colnago C40 or Calfee (lots of us would!) and build it back up with some gleaming Metax stainless tubes...kinda like making a dead horse "cyborg".
Jack Bissell, missing all the great rides tomorrow in Ca. rainy Tucson, Az
On Saturday, Nov 30, 2002, at 09:41AM, Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>In a game of what-if I guess maybe Lance could have won on my 1955
>Gillott road with the Fleur de Lys lugs. The possibilities are endless.
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>The point is that the lugged steel frame is extinct in the pro peloton.
>And it has nothing to do with "marketing."
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>"Here Lance, ride this, it is slightly heavier... but it looks beautiful
>in the sunlight doesn't it?"
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>Chuck "different horses for different courses" Schmidt
>SoPas, SoCal
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