> I doubt he would have made these comments about > Vitus (with whom he was doing business on a regular > basis and from whom I had bought tubing). Makes sense. My recollection is that Excel was low production, heat treated tubing originally intended for ilitary/aircraft fabrications. Also, wasn't in plain gauge with a very thin wall thickness - e.g. something like .4mm? Cheers, Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia