RE: [CR]Frame identification marks

(Example: Framebuilders:Bernard Carré)

From: "David Bilenkey" <>
To: "classicrendezvous" <>
Subject: RE: [CR]Frame identification marks
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:52:06 -0500
In-Reply-To: <001401c1adf5$08a972c0$>

I'm surprised by the "R", most of the Marinonis I've seen that have a cutout BB have an M cutout. Of the 5 Marinoni frames I have in the basement:

'76 has no BB cutout (this one has great fastback stays and nicely thinned lugs but no identifiers cut into the frame anywhere, I believe it to actually have been built in the first year, '75, but it's built with a '76 Campy group.)

'76 Special has 2 slots across the width cutout of the BB (this one has a maple leaf in the head/downtube lug, and a maple leaf an MARINONI in the fork crown)

'78 Special has an M cutout (and Fleur de Lys in the head/downtube lug and the fork crown as well as QUEBEC in the crown)

'93 Special has a small hole in the BB (and an M in the head/downtube lug)

'94 Special has an M cutout in the BB (and M's in the head/downtube lug as well as the fork crown, and Marinoni on the seatstay caps)

David Bilenkey Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

-----Original Message----- From: []On Behalf Of Questor Sent: February 4, 2002 10:27 PM To: Thomas R. Adams, Jr. Cc: classicrendezvous Subject: [CR]Frame identification marks - was: E-bay outing: Marinoni with NR/SR

Another question came to mind... there is a a big "R"" cut into the Marinoni BB which I am told is a identifying marque for Marinoni. Are there basic guidelines for identifying a frame manufacturer based on the BB cutout? What are some of the identifying BB marks for Masi, Colnage, etc.?

Regards, Steve Neago "Gearing up for the Spring season in Cincinnati, OH"