The one method that works 100% of the time is:
A 16 x 100mm bolt and two nuts will take out even the most stubborn fixed cup. Screw one nut down about four cm, place the end through the fixed cup from the inside and screw on the second nut on the outside. Tighten this nut with a socket whilst holding the bolt head with a spanner. Then continue turning the outside second nut until the cup unscrews.
This method does not depend on engaging the cup's flats, the more pressure you put on the second nut the tighter is the grip on the cup. I have taken out even badly rusted in cups this way. But some proper penetrating oil or diesel soaking over 24 hours will greatly assist the cup's removal.
Hilary Stone its back to the storms again, Bristol
> At 04:09 PM 2/9/02 -0500, RaleighPro531@aol.com wrote:
>> My vice doesn't lend itself to clamping the cup in the jaws and turning the
>> whole frame, no doubt that's a good method if you can do it that way.
>
> My vices don't lend themselves for much good either.
>
> This is, in fact, an excellent method and almost always works. If the vise
> is solid, the frame itself usually provides all the leverage you will ever
> need! The trick is to clamp the fixed-cup TOOL rather than trying to clamp
> the little flats on the cup.
>
> A hot-wrench might help too but will destroy the paint.
>
> Good luck,
> Brian
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