I am sorry I blew the previous message. bbspokes@lycos.com is an alias for BrIAN CHI lly in Berkeley, Blum. A fan of most lugged bikes especially ones that do not have crushed(fluted,pinced, whatever) chainstays like the Schwinn LeTour, Masi's, most English bikes. How the hell do the PX-10's and other french bikes go straight when the lateral stiffness of the rear triangle has been obliterated by chrushing the chain stays, do they oversteer? Sorry I am a trained stress analyst and structural engineer so that always irked me.
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